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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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if the game is rigged change the game

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this is fade to black with your host

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on the game changer radio network and

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yeah how you doing today's wednesday may

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happy cinco de mayo everyone we are live

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the planets i'm your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how are you doing night

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and tonight tim mcmillan

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of the debrief is here

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get ready for that all that's going down

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tomorrow night linda multanow joins us

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we're continuing all of the breaking

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gfo's incredible month uh for the world

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more coming up and we've been reporting

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moulton howe all right so no fader night

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at jimmychurchradio.com

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now we've got some really cool merch

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a woman from mali has given birth

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and see the curvature of the planet

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before the pressurized capsule returns

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the capsule features six observation

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after its first flight in july blue

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and the first to do so successfully

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spacex ceo elon musk confirmed the

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successful landing on twitter

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right after touchdown i watched it live

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and i know you did too more on that in

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just a minute

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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adele adele is

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33 years old sky fall you make the list

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adele because of skyfall black sabbaths

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bill ward o g o g

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bill ward today 73 years old echoing the

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bunny man front man

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ian mcculloch today is 62 the killing

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moon one of the greatest songs

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of all time and nobody did it like

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echoing the bunny man

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he hear other bands do it i you know you

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know echoing the bunny man

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man billy idols steve stevens

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today 62 and dream theaters

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james labrie the front man the singer

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for dream theater

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today is 58 our dead guy's birthday

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tammy wynette 1942 to 1998 died at the

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age of 55.

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tammy of course was a country music

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singer and songwriter and was one of

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country music's best known artist

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and biggest selling female singers her

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song

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stand by your man as covered by the

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blues brothers

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stand by your man is one of the best

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selling hit singles in the history of

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country music

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and tammy charted 20 number one songs on

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the billboard country chart

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after several years of medical problems

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which resulted in numerous

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hospitalizations

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26 major operations and an

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addiction to pain medication wynette

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died on april 6

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1998 at the age of 55 while sleeping on

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her couch

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in nashville tennessee otd

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on this day in history o t d

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1961 navy commander alan

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b shepherd is launched into space aboard

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the freedom 7

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becoming the first american astronaut to

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travel in space

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lasted for 15 minutes but he was the

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first

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fader fact all right here you go

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another unbelievable fader fact vetted

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it is true in 1911

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physicist george de hevesi

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suspected his landlady was bulking

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up his meals with leftovers

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that's right leftovers from the previous

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day

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so he proved it by sprinkling

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radioactive material over his

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dinner and detecting it in the next

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day's dinner and that

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that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest

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tim mcmillan of the debrief is here and

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tomorrow night linda milton howe joins

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us

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we're going to continue our week of

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breaking news

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and oliver work over at earth files

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no fader night this week we've had uh

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four amazing guests well we're gonna

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have four amazing guests

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and no time for fader night we'll make

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up for it next week

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all right all right now it's time for me

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to hit this river moon coffee

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man i i think i mentioned this the other

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day

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i had a five pound bag of river moon

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coffee

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in my hand looking at it looking at the

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label

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and it's just what man how did i get

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here

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absolutely incredible river moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com let me hit this

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i like my coffee doc you want to know

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where i get these pipes from

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2. i don't know what it was like

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to go through the 50s and live

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with all of the exciting space news

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right i mean what an incredible time

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because everything was rockets

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right space men moon bases orbiting

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space stations

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and this stuff was all day every day

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all year long space

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right man little kids with their

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their fishbowl helmets right ray guns

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man that was just

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it's just incredible incredible

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movies tv shows

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books magazines

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comics toys bikes the cars

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look like spaceships and you even had

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the

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it must have been so cool seriously

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but i did live through the 60s

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and yeah yeah pretty exciting

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for sure we had uh

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the original seven astronauts and

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my guy was gordon cooper and i remember

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my best friend john

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john de brava in chicago he was a john

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glenn guy

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and and i went with i went with cooper

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because i thought he had a cooler name

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i didn't have any other reason to do it

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but but

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uh that was my guy it's kind of funny

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how things turned out right but anyway

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we had the mercury and gemini programs

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and those were cool um

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mercury just flipped me out you know how

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tiny

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uh that capsule was and how small the

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rocket was and we had all the failures

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and the intensity of it

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and then gemini comes along now we got a

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two-man capsule and

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and definitely looked more spacious-ish

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you know gemini was pretty cool gemini

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was pretty cool bigger rocket

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you know and those programs were all

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it only lasted for a few short years

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it wasn't the mercury gemini programs

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and that was cool and then you know the

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x-15

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you know that was that was pretty cool

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but really

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it lasted from 1969 to 1972. that was it

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that's when the big stuff happened right

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but then boom

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done it was over it was over so quickly

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1972.

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that was it you know and everything that

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followed

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and and i say this with with all honesty

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although cool you know skylab

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you know skylab was cool i guess you

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know the space

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shuttle yeah yeah it was cool mirror

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right soyuz it it was an apollo

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you know and i never

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i never understood why we didn't get

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that hilton hotel in orbit

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right we were promised things

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back in 1970 with everything happening

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so fast it seemed like anything was

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possible

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and so that's the way that it was and

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it's seen that and especially

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uh when you're a kid 1970 and you're

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thinking

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by the year 2000 man it's gonna be on

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we're gonna have cities on mars and

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venus and

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and the moon and saturn and jupiter

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well we know how all of that ended none

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of that

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thought about in the 50s and then the

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60s come along and it just seemed like

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it was going to be apollo 18 1920 apollo

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50

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and it just it just didn't happen

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but today things are finally starting to

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this year has been pretty dramatic

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we've now got our own crude missions

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flying again

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off of u.s soil didn't think that that

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was ever going to happen

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that's pretty cool we've got virgin

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galactic

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15 years ago 2008 13 years ago

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i went out uh to the mojave desert and

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and saw spaceship one uh

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took some great pictures i've got them

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somewhere touched it was

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right there right there on the tarmac

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with this

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incredible ship right i i was able to

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see it

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so we've got virgin galactic you know

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that's getting ready to kick off and

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today

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jeff bezos announced that in just

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six six short weeks

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we've got actual space tourism

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about to kick off now this

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is a very very very big deal

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the blue origin craft is straight up

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buck rogers

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straight up i mean look at it it's buck

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rogers

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and you look at you know from the

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outside right

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and you look at that capsule and you

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look at the windows and think

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it's it's never been done like this

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before

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it's one of the most amazing things ever

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to have been created by

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man but this time around it isn't for

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the government

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it's for it's for us

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well at least the us that can afford it

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autonomous six

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civilians are going to

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get into blue origin

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fly to space sub-orbital space

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see everything without a pilot

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that's incredible three launches this

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year that's

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nuts it's it's like the movie gattaca

519
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man

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but for real this is this is incredible

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and earlier today elon musk and his

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spacex

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launched the sn15 which is destined for

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an eventual landing on mars

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you know with a crew of humans

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incredible the massive ship which is

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about as cool i keep saying cool because

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that's where we are

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we're in cool days here it's the coolest

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thing that i've ever seen

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totally straight up out of destination

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space from 1959

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it is i think he did that intentionally

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you know you could i guess you can

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have it look any way you want but he

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went for destination space

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right today it launched and went up six

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miles did a bunch of tricks

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and then landed back on terra firma all

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without a hitch

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it was perfect it was beautiful it was

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majestic

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today reading jeff bezos big blue origin

544
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announcement

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and then watching the spacex sn15 launch

546
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and landing

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coupled with all of the crazy ufo uap

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00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,880
news

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followed up by my interview with tim

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mcmillan of the debrief

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i feel like right now i've either

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00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,520
stepped into the future

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00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,480
or jumped back into the past smack in

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the middle of 1956 watching forbidden

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planet

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at a local movie theater it's the way i

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00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,799
feel and like i said

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i don't know what it was like to grow up

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and live through the 50s

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but today was pretty friggin epic man

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00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:54,799
seriously just just fun

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fun now a little announcement

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00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,279
tonight is uh tim mcmillan

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of the debrief and this is

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what we had to do we

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00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,279
recorded tim right before

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the show tonight tim is live in germany

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so if we would have done the show live

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and we could have

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he would have been up at 4 30 to 6 30 7

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o'clock in the morning over in germany

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so rather than do that a couple of hours

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ago

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tim and i sat down and recorded

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so it's as live

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as live is gonna get without being live

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00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:40,000
okay we just wrapped the show before

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show time tonight

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but what this enables me to do this is a

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00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,480
very important conversation

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um and i want you to listen to all of it

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00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:50,880
but this enables me

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to hang out with all of you tonight over

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on twitter

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00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,799
over on facebook i'll jump over to

586
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,000
spreaker

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00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,559
and uh let's hang out all right so you

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00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:01,440
are going to be

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00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,240
listening to tim and i but you're going

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00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:05,360
to be

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00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,200
watching me hang out with all of you

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00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,400
and all of that's going to happen in

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00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,799
real time so let's listen to the

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conversation let's listen to the

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interview

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um it's uh nearly two and a half hours

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long

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and the other part about it is i've

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already forgotten it

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00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,120
so i get to re-listen to the interview

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00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,360
with all of you in real time

602
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,080
hang out on twitter hang out on facebook

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00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,520
hang out on youtube

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00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,360
hang out on spreaker all right so let's

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do this i'm very excited

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00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,399
it's uh it's just been an amazing week

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00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,200
and uh tim is a a very very interesting

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very intelligent

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uh journalist and i think that he's uh

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00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:49,919
how do i say this very opinionated

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00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,360
but also remains very objective and

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that's tough to do when we discuss

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all of that tonight coming up in this

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interview we do we talk about

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00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:03,200
flying pyramids we talked about the

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breaking news from monday

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with the uh dod uh ig

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and the memo that was released we cover

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that tonight we cover the uap

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task force we talk about marco rubio

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we talk about ufology we talk about the

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the community today

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and we discussed disclosure everything

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00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:25,120
was on the table with tim so get ready

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for that

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i'm gonna hang out with all of you right

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here oh by the way

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i watched the uh

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entire live uh spacex

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uh live stream today and

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as intense as all of that was and the

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launch and the return

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it didn't seem like it took the whole

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thing that was just minutes long

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but uh to see it land and then the fire

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broke out

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and you're watching that live it lands

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00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,720
it's all good

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00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,720
and then a fire breaks out and the

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automated cannons

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00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,640
and things uh the water cannons putting

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the fire out it was drama

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00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,120
that was that was a lot of fun today was

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a very very special day

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all right so i'm going to get out of

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here and i am going to jump over to

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uh facebook i will be over in

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uh uh youtube spreaker

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and uh everywhere else and of course on

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twitter

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church

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night big night last night

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big night on monday this is faded black

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight tim

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mcmillan of the debrief is here first

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00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,359
time guest we love first time guest

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and tomorrow night linda moulton howe

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joins us

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to continue all of the breaking news

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that has been taking over the ufo

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community over the last few weeks it's

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an

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amazing time right now no fader night

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this

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00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,880
week that's the way it is but we've had

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four great nights on the show tonight

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tim mcmillan of the debrief is here

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we're gonna cover all of the latest

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breaking news in the world of ufos and

787
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uaps

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it was indeed a huge week for mainstream

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media in the world of disclosure

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and we'll be covering uh it all tonight

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on

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the show tim mcmillan is a retired

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police lieutenant

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uh intelligence analyst investigative

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reporter and co-founder and executive

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director

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of the debrief media llc

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his writing covers defense science and

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the intelligence community

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of course his website is thedebrief.org

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the links for it

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00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,240
are over at jimmychurchradio.com and now

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00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:01,599
i'd like to welcome

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live from germany tim mcmillan tim good

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evening man how are you

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00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:08,800
good jimmy how are you man great to be

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00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:12,079
here it's uh it's about time right it

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really is

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00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,720
i think we've been trying to connect for

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00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,160
gosh like a year now

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00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,240
it really is yeah well i would say was

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longer than that

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00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,599
and and we'll get to that in a second

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because tim you're a first time guest

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which means you get the first time guest

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00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,599
disclaimer

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so let's do that now and get it out of

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00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,680
the way uh which is this tim

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00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:34,079
it's just you and i um sitting on my

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couch having a conversation as friends

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and where the conversation starts it

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00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:40,240
starts where it ends it ends but we're

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00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,599
going to end as friends

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00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,400
there you go pressure's off i like that

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00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,000
no i like that that's great

826
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,640
that's good now i want to start here

827
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,440
there is

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00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,240
so much to discuss tonight and we'll get

829
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,720
to all of it i promise but

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00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,119
uh i i really want to start here the

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00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:58,800
debrief

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00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:02,640
very quickly has become an

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00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,839
a very important platform uh for not

834
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:08,640
only the ufo community uh but for

835
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:10,880
breaking news and science and things

836
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,160
uh for the rest of the world did you

837
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:15,680
expect this meteoric

838
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:19,680
rise so quickly no

839
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,119
you never i mean you always hope that

840
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,040
you're going to do well but i think

841
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,599
anybody who who writes or reports you

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00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,400
know

843
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,599
you like to see your stuff get out there

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you want to see people read it um

845
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but you never know how it's going to go

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00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,880
and uh

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00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,720
it has been overwhelming i'll say that

848
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much we really have

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uh enjoyed some some great readership

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we've enjoyed

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you know a lot of fans uh that do a

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really diverse

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wide range of things and i think that's

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00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,200
what uh it's always

855
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:49,200
exciting because we broaden a lot of

856
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,320
horizons and it's fun to be able to

857
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,800
cover something like the ufo topic from

858
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,079
a serious

859
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,240
manner and so not being silly not you

860
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,920
know putting a lot of

861
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,599
entertainment on it but to cover just

862
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,760
like you would any other topic but then

863
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,760
you can also you know get new

864
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,599
information on something like quantum

865
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:09,599
mechanics you know we cover this kind of

866
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,560
stuff

867
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,359
um you know new breaking fighter jets

868
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:15,520
you name it uh it's really just focused

869
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,079
on

870
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,520
the future what is the future because

871
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,200
the future can be a scary place you know

872
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:21,040
what is the future going to hold

873
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,160
um and so so far a lot of people seem to

874
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,599
be receptive and we

875
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,520
definitely appreciate that i mean it's

876
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:28,800
been overwhelming well

877
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,079
hi tell us about how you put the team

878
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:35,040
together let's discuss that uh for a

879
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,560
minute because

880
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,920
uh the team is strong and

881
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,200
the the uh the journalist and the

882
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:45,839
reporting that are behind all of that

883
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,800
have been guest

884
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:49,920
uh on this show over the years and

885
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,000
and the our audience understands

886
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,920
who these people are but to get that

887
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:57,520
collective together

888
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:59,119
is pretty impressive how did you pull

889
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,560
that off

890
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:03,200
well yeah you know the the this was all

891
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,400
initially kind of

892
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,640
inspired other brainchilds of uh you

893
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,599
know me

894
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,079
mj binayas and micah hanks who i think

895
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:11,760
both both have been on your show before

896
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,920
yeah hopefully everybody's familiar with

897
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:16,079
them they do fantastic work

898
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,040
at the end of the day we were all

899
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,119
friends you know all of us were

900
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,800
very good friends outside of the

901
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,480
reporting we were doing or

902
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,400
you know micah's podcast that he was

903
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,160
doing we were

904
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,800
you know talking daily and in the case

905
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,240
of me and mj

906
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,640
we were also doing a lot of at you know

907
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,079
last year and the year before we were

908
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,000
doing a lot of reporting together

909
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:39,040
uh mostly with vice and um

910
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,880
popular mechanics as well and so we were

911
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,960
all good buddies and we were all talking

912
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,920
about it

913
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:48,560
and you know it would be incorrect to

914
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:48,960
not

915
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,240
topic would

916
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,560
was the impetus it was what motivated us

917
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:56,240
to just go you know what

918
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,520
forget this we're going we're going to

919
00:40:02,310 --> 00:39:59,680
do our own thing and

920
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,320
it really boiled down to especially me

921
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,560
and mj were reporting

922
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,720
with different outlets and we felt like

923
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,440
we were bringing very serious reporting

924
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,560
to the topic you know we were

925
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,960
interviewing high-level defense people

926
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:14,400
we were treating this like a very

927
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,359
serious

928
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,000
subject and which i think it it warrants

929
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,920
any way you cut the cake

930
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,920
and uh you know we were frustrated

931
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,960
because

932
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,560
we felt like the presentation when it

933
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,160
came back out you know a lot of times

934
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,240
you don't have the control over how

935
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,079
your information's being put out there

936
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,000
so we put out a silly

937
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:34,560
a serious story about something that had

938
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,119
happened

939
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:36,880
uh in the ufo world with the department

940
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,319
of offense and then we'd see it get

941
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,480
published with

942
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:42,560
you know some kind of splashy headline

943
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,680
or

944
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,160
and it's nothing against tom delong

945
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,839
never spoken to him a great guy but

946
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,400
you'd see

947
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:50,560
you know we would report on let's say

948
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,520
something the pentagon

949
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,599
said and then the headline would be tom

950
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,440
delong's ufos are real

951
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,720
and then you know picture tom you're

952
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,040
like you know just kind of brought it

953
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,800
down i think it made it it

954
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:03,119
made it silly and so he said you know we

955
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,240
can do this

956
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
we can report on this in a serious

957
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
responsible manner

958
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,640
just like anything else just like any

959
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,000
other topic

960
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,400
and in addition you know we all have our

961
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,040
side interest and science and technology

962
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,200
are each of our you know interest and

963
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,720
it's always well what's coming next

964
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,240
what's the future

965
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,880
uh i would say that our outlet not just

966
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,400
in reporting this stuff we kind of

967
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,520
wanted to create something where we

968
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:29,119
could inspire people as well

969
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,400
so we cover things that you know fringe

970
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,560
is a bad word it's taboo to say that

971
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,040
but it forward thinking bleeding edge

972
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:39,119
things to maybe inspire people you know

973
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,160
that's where the next

974
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:43,040
generation comes from in technology uh

975
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:44,319
and so

976
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,760
i wish i could tell you that we had this

977
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,839
well thought out business plan and we

978
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,599
had all of these strategies but we just

979
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,200
kind of uh

980
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:53,040
collectively in about two months said

981
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:54,400
you know what we're going to do this we

982
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:55,119
can do this

983
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,200
just ourselves there's a there's another

984
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:02,640
part to this that i find really

985
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:03,440
interesting

986
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:07,280
and it's your name lieutenant

987
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:10,720
right lieutenant tim mcmillan and

988
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,240
when uh your reporting uh started

989
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,760
to uh surface a few years ago

990
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:20,319
i remember reaching out to you and and

991
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,960
thinking

992
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,680
i was a little intimidated lieutenant

993
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,400
tim mcmillan right and the subjects

994
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,720
uh that you were writing about were very

995
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:29,520
serious

996
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,760
and i was thinking this guy's an insider

997
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,440
he's got connections

998
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:38,560
he's he's able to crack into this stuff

999
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,359
and uh his rise indicates to me

1000
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
that he's got connections

1001
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,480
he's got something going on tell us tell

1002
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,319
us about your background

1003
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520
and the lieutenant side of things uh

1004
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,920
do you consider yourself an insider and

1005
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,520
do you have the connections

1006
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,800
that most of us think that you do gosh i

1007
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,400
wish i did

1008
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:05,040
well the lieutenant holdover comes from

1009
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,440
you know

1010
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,520
the the majority of my adult life was

1011
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,119
spent in law enforcement i was a law

1012
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,720
enforcement officer

1013
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,640
i did a little bit of everything so

1014
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:14,800
violent crimes investigations from

1015
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,319
you know homicides to robberies um

1016
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:20,079
i also handled a canine for a while i

1017
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,599
was a canine handler

1018
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,839
and i worked uh criminal intelligence so

1019
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:25,119
it's you know kind of what you think of

1020
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,240
when you hear of intelligence

1021
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:28,400
analysts but you're doing it uh for

1022
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,400
domestic crimes and that kind of stuff

1023
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:31,920
and it's really you know

1024
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,760
connecting cartels drug dealers that

1025
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:35,359
type of thing um

1026
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,800
and so that's where i spent the majority

1027
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:38,400
of my life and that's where

1028
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,680
the lieutenant moniker came from i have

1029
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,680
have slowly over the years moved away

1030
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,359
from that because i know for a long time

1031
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,440
my twitter my facebook and everything it

1032
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,560
had the lt

1033
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,119
tim mcmillan with the retired behind it

1034
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,560
i always thought it was silly

1035
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,319
i'll be honest with you but i kept it

1036
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,960
because and i still am um

1037
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,280
i'm a with an organization called the

1038
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:00,319
law enforcement action

1039
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,680
partnership which is a international um

1040
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:05,760
you know kind of think tank group they

1041
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,880
get experts but i'm

1042
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,560
an expert with them so there's times

1043
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,960
that different media outlets or

1044
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,960
you know i've done speeches for congress

1045
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,480
this type of thing related to law

1046
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,920
enforcement matters so for them they're

1047
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,359
like no no even though you're retired

1048
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:18,400
you've got to keep it

1049
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,920
you know so people know and you know i

1050
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,440
think it's kind of silly and i've kind

1051
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:24,720
of shed that

1052
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:28,000
um but that's where what what

1053
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,560
got me when i i took early retirement um

1054
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,720
from law enforcement i just had my fill

1055
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,000
i'll be honest with you

1056
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,480
um two years ago two and a half years

1057
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:39,599
ago something like that

1058
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:43,040
and um it really relates to i have three

1059
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,839
small kids

1060
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,000
and quite frankly that at that point i

1061
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:48,240
was the nighttime duty officer so my

1062
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:50,319
permanent shift was 3 p.m to 3 a.m

1063
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,680
never saw my kids yeah and so uh

1064
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,040
you know i just i think that the

1065
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:56,560
breaking point was when my son was in

1066
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:58,000
kindergarten i saw a picture that he

1067
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,720
drove

1068
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,359
drew that said you know i love my dad uh

1069
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,680
i never get to see him and i was like oh

1070
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,280
and that was a couple months later i

1071
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,359
said it you know i'ma buy out the

1072
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,760
remaining three years to reach my 20 and

1073
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,440
just call it quits and do something

1074
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,480
different

1075
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:15,119
um and so that's where that moniker

1076
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,400
comes from

1077
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,119
but when i decided to to really start

1078
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,720
you know i've always had an interest in

1079
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:22,560
in national security and defense

1080
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,560
stuff um from a strategic standpoint

1081
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,640
it's not necessarily because i think

1082
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:30,400
weapons of war are cool or this kind of

1083
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,720
thing

1084
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,319
it's kind of how these are used

1085
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,079
strategically it's

1086
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,240
countries spend trillions of dollars so

1087
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,760
they can have all these

1088
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:40,240
these giant war machines to not fight

1089
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,880
war

1090
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,160
so you'd be like no we're scarier than

1091
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,680
you don't fight us and it's interesting

1092
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,040
how this is used

1093
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:48,000
uh i also grew up in in kind of that

1094
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:48,960
that environment

1095
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,079
my uncle was a uh he retired from the

1096
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:54,000
pentagon but he was a special forces

1097
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,480
officer

1098
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,040
he um retired as a one-star general

1099
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:58,800
worked at the dia so i kind of grew up

1100
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,880
around that and uh this kind of military

1101
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,200
lifestyle and around people like that

1102
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,119
and so i spoke the lingo

1103
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:09,119
you know i understood the dynamics of it

1104
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,960
the bureaucracy of it

1105
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,880
and so you know i think a lot like a lot

1106
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,400
of people when

1107
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:17,520
the news broke the new york times news

1108
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,079
broke in 2017

1109
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,640
suddenly this you know the idea of ufos

1110
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:23,760
became a very serious

1111
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,920
topic you had people who were former

1112
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,520
pentagon officials

1113
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,560
um and even when they spoke you know

1114
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:33,119
they say louis elizondo or chris mellon

1115
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:34,240
you know some of the things they would

1116
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,040
say i

1117
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,800
would recognize i'm like these are

1118
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,240
serious people here

1119
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,280
this is legitimate um

1120
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,319
and and i i kind of laid it down to

1121
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:45,920
there had to be two options here

1122
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,440
either these people who

1123
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,920
either still occupied or did occupy very

1124
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,319
high level positions in our government

1125
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,880
are totally crazy out of their mind

1126
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:58,480
right and

1127
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,119
they control weapons of war they control

1128
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,520
massive budgets

1129
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,599
that's a problem if that's true or

1130
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:07,520
there's something really going on here

1131
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,480
um and that alternative is

1132
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,640
could be ground breaking and so uh you

1133
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,000
know i kind of got frustrated

1134
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,680
i think even when i initially started

1135
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:19,359
reporting on it because i felt like this

1136
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,760
is a

1137
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,280
serious story this is significant

1138
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:26,319
um but nobody seemed to be you know from

1139
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:27,119
the mainstream

1140
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,640
mainstream standpoint seemed to be

1141
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,920
treating it seriously i didn't seem to

1142
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,680
do any like hard-hitting investigative

1143
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,200
journalism

1144
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:36,800
and um so i you know when i got into

1145
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,280
kind of

1146
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:39,760
the confluence of doing journalism was

1147
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:41,119
at the same time of having an interest

1148
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,160
with this and i realized

1149
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,640
you know it's kind of all in the same

1150
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,920
you investigate a homicide you

1151
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,880
investigate

1152
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:48,960
you know what's going on here and try to

1153
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,480
bring that information to the public

1154
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,480
and i said let's see if we can't apply

1155
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:54,640
that skill set that i've acquired

1156
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,359
and see what we can do you know to this

1157
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,319
arena

1158
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,319
and there's no secret sauce to it and i

1159
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,240
know i hear it all the time you know

1160
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:04,559
that uh i've got he's got to be a spook

1161
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,760
he's got to be this and that and i'm

1162
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,920
like man i um

1163
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,440
anybody's welcome to if they actually

1164
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,599
came and spent you know a week two weeks

1165
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,960
a month with me here in germany they'd

1166
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:14,319
be like gosh man your life's really

1167
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,040
boring

1168
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:16,640
you know it's a lot of mow in the grass

1169
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:20,400
it's running around chasing kids

1170
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:24,480
but the when i say an insider um

1171
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,440
i've been very fortunate over the years

1172
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:29,119
in talking to people and kind of working

1173
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,079
my way

1174
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,720
into some of the inner sanctums of

1175
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,319
what's going on inside the government

1176
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:35,359
right now

1177
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,800
who's working these programs uh

1178
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,440
there was no shortcut it was a lot of

1179
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,760
you know talking to different people and

1180
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,839
applying you know a lot of the trade

1181
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,800
craft

1182
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,640
air quotes there that i've learned in

1183
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,559
law enforcement and just

1184
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,160
tracking people down and investigating

1185
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,599
and trying to get them to talk to you

1186
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,559
and piece together

1187
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,280
pieces this puzzle um very much like you

1188
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,880
were presenting a case to court

1189
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:00,319
and that's that's how i've always kind

1190
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:02,079
of viewed it

1191
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,119
so it's a long way of saying that

1192
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,160
depends on how you define insider have i

1193
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,280
been fortunate to i think hopefully

1194
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,359
in the conversations i've had with

1195
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,640
people or things that i've reported on

1196
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:16,000
that i've gained people's trust

1197
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:17,839
that they know at least an honest and

1198
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:19,280
straight shooter and i'm not going to

1199
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,400
sensationalize

1200
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,800
uh you know i'm but i'm very curious and

1201
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,079
i'm willing to treat it

1202
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,599
seriously and i think that has

1203
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:28,880
opened some doors where i've been able

1204
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,520
to talk to some very interesting people

1205
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,559
that are dealing with this subject um so

1206
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:37,119
in that regards uh maybe you can say i'm

1207
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:37,839
an insider

1208
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:40,880
in terms of having any type of secret

1209
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:43,760
knowledge or what's going on or privy to

1210
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,960
classified information

1211
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:47,119
absolutely not you know that's that's

1212
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,079
kind of one of

1213
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:50,480
in my steps of how serious is somebody

1214
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,119
is

1215
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:53,040
do they even try to mention some things

1216
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,720
classified or this kind of stuff because

1217
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:56,160
people who are seriously working their

1218
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:56,640
world

1219
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,040
they're not going to risk their careers

1220
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,880
their their livelihood go to prison for

1221
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,920
this

1222
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:04,720
uh so in that regards uh i'm much like

1223
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,520
everybody else

1224
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:07,520
you know i three years of digging into

1225
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:08,559
it and speaking to

1226
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,640
some high level people and i i i still

1227
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:12,079
don't know jimmy you know i still would

1228
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:12,880
love to know

1229
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,319
well and you've also um

1230
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:18,319
it's something that i really appreciate

1231
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,000
not only with the debrief but your

1232
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:22,000
approach and style

1233
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,440
and something that you and i have talked

1234
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,599
about uh over the last couple of years

1235
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,720
is that

1236
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:29,359
you have somehow found a way to remain

1237
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,119
uh objective

1238
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,680
you've been critical but then you've

1239
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,119
also done some

1240
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,400
very positive reporting too as well

1241
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:41,680
but you've steadfastly stayed in the

1242
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,319
middle

1243
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:45,599
how do you do that in this community

1244
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:51,030
let's separate that and break it apart

1245
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,400
it's not easy

1246
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:55,760
in on the topic itself because you know

1247
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:58,319
everybody's human and i think the the

1248
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,359
unknown

1249
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:01,520
and not being able to solve something

1250
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:03,200
not being able to come to a true

1251
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,400
conclusion

1252
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:07,440
that's frustrating and um

1253
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,280
it's very easy to start trying to arrive

1254
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,480
at your own conclusions

1255
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,880
you start trying to make things fit i'm

1256
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,000
very cautious

1257
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,920
about that and i think that comes from

1258
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,280
kind of that background

1259
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,079
in investigations and especially in uh

1260
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,839
when you're doing analysts work

1261
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,040
you know one of the things is you've got

1262
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,800
to you're you're constantly trying to be

1263
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,800
cognizant of your own biases

1264
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,960
your you know your failures to

1265
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,880
understand something always comes in the

1266
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,760
seams

1267
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,079
is what they say so you know if i'm

1268
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,800
totally focused on this point

1269
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,880
what i'm missing is in those seams and

1270
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,240
so

1271
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,400
always try to be cautious of your seams

1272
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,559
and it also involves

1273
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,640
making sure that i listen to people who

1274
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,240
are both you know

1275
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,000
i don't mean this derogatorily by any

1276
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,520
means but believers

1277
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:56,079
and and for some of them who share that

1278
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,040
they maybe have

1279
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,280
had very dramatic personal experiences

1280
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,319
and that's why they're

1281
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:02,559
a believer not being dismissive of that

1282
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,680
it's not my job

1283
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,559
to be dismissive is to listen to it but

1284
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,400
then also on the other side of what you

1285
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:09,760
would say maybe the extreme

1286
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,359
debunkers and listen to it and then

1287
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,680
i think one of the things that i see a

1288
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,440
lot of people do that maybe causes a lot

1289
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,280
of frustration

1290
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,200
is they either quickly dismiss the

1291
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:22,640
information from either of those

1292
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,680
kind of parties based on the party

1293
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,359
because you know well that person's

1294
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,800
crazier i don't trust that person

1295
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,079
because of this or this

1296
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:33,200
whatever and you what you're really

1297
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,920
interested in

1298
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:36,240
is in the information information is

1299
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,040
what's important

1300
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,800
can you verify the information can the

1301
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,640
information be substantiated by other

1302
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,319
sources

1303
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:44,839
somebody can be totally off the rock or

1304
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:46,880
bananas doesn't mean that

1305
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:50,000
what they've said is true or not true

1306
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,960
right or not true but that that is one

1307
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:55,040
of the most important points

1308
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,040
that i think all uh not only the ufo

1309
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:01,760
community but the world in general

1310
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,720
need to appreciate more which is it

1311
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,119
doesn't matter what side you're on

1312
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,319
you need to listen too many

1313
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,240
will not at all listen to anything

1314
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,880
but what is in their wheelhouse and and

1315
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:18,800
what their focus on it

1316
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:21,920
it is it cognitive dissonance is it well

1317
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:22,720
yes it is

1318
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,920
it is constantly having blinders on

1319
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,160
uh when you you just mentioned skeptics

1320
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:29,520
and debunkers

1321
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,520
right that that is their gig and then

1322
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,040
you have the other side where you have

1323
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,400
these steadfast

1324
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:41,200
uh believers in the subject that will

1325
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,400
only go there

1326
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,920
and not listen or read or research

1327
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,559
anything

1328
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,280
outside of what their belief system is

1329
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,160
that's a problem today isn't it

1330
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:55,119
no absolutely and and i think in a lot

1331
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,559
of ways one of the things that's helped

1332
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:58,079
me the most before i ever started

1333
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,200
looking at this topic

1334
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:02,000
is that for the last two years of my my

1335
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,800
police career

1336
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:05,040
i was working with so different

1337
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,319
organizations one of them being the

1338
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,160
department of justice

1339
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,680
their community oriented policing

1340
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,319
programs and uh the state of georgia

1341
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,839
and it was focused on um implicit bias

1342
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,680
and community relations because this was

1343
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,960
you know i ended

1344
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,880
last couple years of my career and even

1345
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,000
though there is still

1346
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:24,319
a lot of turbulence and a lot of

1347
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,760
friction between the community and law

1348
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:27,520
enforcement in a lot of cities

1349
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,880
you know i was there through the

1350
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:30,880
ferguson years and this kind of thing

1351
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,240
and so i realized just what you said

1352
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,839
you know for for kind of this inner

1353
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,440
circle the police community i was in

1354
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:38,799
there was a lot of

1355
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,359
pushback or you would hear people say uh

1356
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:42,799
you know black lives matter

1357
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,400
or whatever i feel like i've been

1358
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:45,920
mistreated by the police

1359
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,599
i feel like the police are racist and

1360
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,280
then there was a lot of people on

1361
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,839
the side the uniform that i was wearing

1362
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,480
not not personally but just in general

1363
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,480
who would resist that and you know what

1364
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,680
blue lives matter and all this and i

1365
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,359
thought but you know this is

1366
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:02,079
this is not solving anything here you

1367
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:03,440
know if you

1368
00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:05,440
if you said you know jimmy my life

1369
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,280
matters and i just responded well my

1370
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,880
life matters too that didn't

1371
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,640
get to the core of why do you do you

1372
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,240
feel that your life doesn't matter

1373
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,280
and you know i liken that to if my my

1374
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
wife came home and fussed to me for not

1375
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,319
doing the laundry and i said well you

1376
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,400
didn't do the dishes

1377
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,839
the laundry still isn't done like we

1378
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,920
haven't solved anything and so

1379
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,440
uh the last couple years my career

1380
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:27,280
involved me going out with different

1381
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,079
programs and

1382
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,760
going to areas that like

1383
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,240
chicago inner city chicago or you know

1384
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:36,079
into atlanta which wasn't far from where

1385
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,520
i lived and worked

1386
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,680
and asking people you know talking to

1387
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,000
people people in baltimore who

1388
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,480
uh grew up in inner city conditions who

1389
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,920
said i hate the police and

1390
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,760
and being able to say okay but i don't

1391
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:49,440
hate you but why do you hate the police

1392
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:51,200
like let me listen to you i want to hear

1393
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,559
why and it

1394
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,720
involves wine you realize that everybody

1395
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:55,760
has a reason

1396
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,880
for that and i think that that

1397
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,799
can translate into this subject with

1398
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,720
ufos because

1399
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:05,119
everybody has a reason for for why they

1400
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,920
either a

1401
00:56:09,270 --> 00:56:08,079
let's say believe adamantly and

1402
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,280
favoritely

1403
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:12,079
uh or you know i think if you dig into

1404
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,640
some of the

1405
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,559
the biggest debunkers and everything

1406
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,160
it's just like you said

1407
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:19,359
um it can be as zealous as the people

1408
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,640
they're criticizing

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00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,520
yeah there's not objectivity there and

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00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,640
it's not easy

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00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,760
to maintain that um i think to some

1412
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,119
degree you have to

1413
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,960
that's why we always try to mix our kind

1414
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,200
of a i take a break from ufos from time

1415
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,880
to time people see me write about it

1416
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,240
it's been a lot in the news

1417
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,799
lately but you know though especially

1418
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,400
when i was working for other outlets

1419
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:42,720
you know i probably published two major

1420
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,520
stories

1421
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:45,119
a year because i felt like it wasn't

1422
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:46,400
necessary because you just don't want to

1423
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,640
become too singularly focused

1424
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:51,040
uh on anything especially something like

1425
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,920
this that

1426
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,960
uh it's mysterious it's you know

1427
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:58,079
potentially it's a true unknown from

1428
00:57:01,589 --> 00:56:58,799
from

1429
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:01,599
everything that i can gather well we're

1430
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,000
gonna

1431
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,440
uh uh head to a break here in

1432
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:08,079
in about two minutes so before we get

1433
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:08,799
there

1434
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,839
here's the obvious question tim what

1435
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:13,280
changed

1436
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,119
what what caused this focus

1437
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,319
on ufos

1438
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:23,520
in general yeah two years three years

1439
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,079
ago

1440
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:27,200
i mean where were you uh were you always

1441
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,240
into the subject

1442
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:31,119
growing up or was there a catalyst three

1443
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:31,839
years ago

1444
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,549
i i i found the i found the the topic

1445
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:43,359
interesting

1446
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,799
and found it very uh yeah what got me

1447
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,160
into it was

1448
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:50,160
going on 10 years now and i know we're

1449
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:51,359
about to go to a break so we might not

1450
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,160
have time for this

1451
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,520
i had my own siding i saw something and

1452
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:58,400
um not nearly as dramatic as a lot of

1453
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,119
people

1454
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:01,760
who you know i but i saw something that

1455
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:02,480
was

1456
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,160
explain it in the prosaic terms i had

1457
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,680
another police

1458
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:10,079
sergeant who was with me at the time we

1459
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:11,440
were standing right there

1460
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:14,640
and then later i found out that another

1461
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,319
eyewitness had reported this

1462
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,520
to mufon it's about 30 miles south of us

1463
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,040
same time i still don't know who that

1464
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,440
person is but my point of saying is it

1465
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:26,079
it was real like it was in the sky there

1466
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:26,880
was no doubt

1467
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,480
now uh you know what it was i don't know

1468
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,680
it was just five giant

1469
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,720
you know i say giant the bright lights

1470
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:39,599
evenly spaced in the sky um they were

1471
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,400
just there

1472
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,640
they just appeared and kind of hovered

1473
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,920
there for

1474
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:46,960
a few minutes and three blinked off

1475
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:49,440
then two more blinked on and there's

1476
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:50,480
just these lights

1477
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,079
and so what that is i don't know and i

1478
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,480
so there's where my initial interest in

1479
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,720
this topic came into it but even going

1480
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,160
back then

1481
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,480
um my interest in my academic

1482
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:03,359
backgrounds in

1483
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,040
cognitive psychology um that's what i

1484
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,559
before i became a cop i was going to be

1485
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,960
a a research psychologist

1486
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,960
so somehow i became a cop figure that

1487
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,400
one out

1488
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:16,720
well here we go the next breaking

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00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,960
headline on the debrief after

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00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:21,599
uh tonight's show tim mcmillan was

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00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,040
abducted

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00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,680
there you go full disclosure this is

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00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,440
fade to black i am your host jimmy

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00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:29,359
church tonight our guest is tim mcmillan

1495
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,319
of the debris

1496
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,440
we have got lots to talk about and cover

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:35,680
we will do it all when we return after

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:45,930
this very short break stay with us

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01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:49,359
welcome back feed to black i'm your host

1616
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:50,960
jimmy church our guest tonight tim

1617
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:52,960
mcmillan of the debrief

1618
01:04:59,829 --> 01:04:56,720
and we need to get into what has been

1619
01:05:02,470 --> 01:04:59,839
uh not only a crazy three or four years

1620
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:02,480
in in the world of ufos and uaps but

1621
01:05:07,589 --> 01:05:03,119
certainly

1622
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,599
a crazy month and the mass media tim

1623
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,319
has has been right here for the ride

1624
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:11,440
things are breaking

1625
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:13,839
left and right and before we go

1626
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,200
backwards

1627
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:18,000
i want to focus on what happened on

1628
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,200
monday

1629
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,839
which was the department of defense

1630
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:23,839
inspector general

1631
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:27,440
posted on the dod ig page

1632
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,520
uh that they were going to do uh an

1633
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:32,319
evaluation

1634
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,359
into uh uaps and

1635
01:05:38,789 --> 01:05:38,400
the way the department of defense has

1636
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,799
been

1637
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,960
dealing with it now i want to get into

1638
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:42,240
the specifics

1639
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:45,280
of the verbiage and and things but a lot

1640
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,319
of speculation

1641
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:49,520
going on right now because

1642
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:52,960
the memo is very brief

1643
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,319
it's very brief it's debriefed it's very

1644
01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:59,520
brief and and there's a lot of

1645
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,720
interpolation uh interpretation and

1646
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:05,920
interpolation that can go into this so

1647
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,480
when you first read it you wrote your

1648
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,000
story on it

1649
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,079
ultimately what do you think is is going

1650
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:14,480
to happen

1651
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:17,440
yeah i can't understate how significant

1652
01:06:19,589 --> 01:06:18,240
that is

1653
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:19,599
and i understand a lot of people are

1654
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:20,880
like what what's going on here i don't

1655
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:22,319
get it we were having a report that was

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01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:23,119
due

1657
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,480
uh why is this you know what what

1658
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,319
what is going on here because it just

1659
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:30,160
like you said that the memo is brief

1660
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:31,839
and and for a lot of people i think

1661
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:33,440
they're going who

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01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,359
the inspector general you know what a

1663
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,200
general is investigating now

1664
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,319
um but this is extremely significant and

1665
01:06:42,470 --> 01:06:42,079
the reason i say that is because for for

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01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,480
anyone

1667
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,359
who's unaware uh the office of the

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01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,799
inspector general for the department of

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01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:47,359
defense

1670
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:51,520
they are the the pentagon's police

1671
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,039
in a way they are the watchdog

1672
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,200
organization you know i liken it

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01:06:58,390 --> 01:06:57,280
to you know when the teacher leaves the

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01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,400
classroom

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01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,319
uh you know all the kids misbehave the

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teacher comes back the kids start

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behaving some

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uh but then the if the principal should

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happen to come in the classroom

1680
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suddenly now the teacher's behaving the

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kids are behaving everybody goes

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01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,680
uh-oh this is major that is the

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01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:15,200
equivalent of the inspector general

1684
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,000
coming in

1685
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,920
so they are like i said they have

1686
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,520
they're an objective

1687
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:21,760
independent organization that has

1688
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,280
authority

1689
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,520
over just about anybody you know the

1690
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:26,880
short of the secretary to

1691
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,359
pence or the president intervening you

1692
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,960
know they can

1693
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:33,039
interview anybody you know very much

1694
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,319
like internal affairs

1695
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:35,920
in police departments people may be more

1696
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:37,440
familiar with that

1697
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,599
and so for them to step in like this

1698
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:40,720
that's that's a

1699
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:44,240
big deal because even with this 180-day

1700
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,960
report

1701
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,280
um you know that maybe we'll discuss a

1702
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,720
little maybe something you want to get

1703
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:50,000
into a little bit but that

1704
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,880
uh you know there's there's ways that

1705
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,000
people could kind of

1706
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,119
push that off and be like yeah yeah you

1707
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,200
it's not a law it's just a directive so

1708
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,640
technically some components of the

1709
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:02,400
department of defense could

1710
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,680
could tell others yeah i'm not giving

1711
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,680
you anything or screw off

1712
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:07,520
you know but nobody's going to tell that

1713
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:08,720
to the inspector general

1714
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,520
because what goes into this report will

1715
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:13,599
affect careers

1716
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:16,239
and you know it can end careers or it

1717
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,279
can in

1718
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:20,080
promotion potential it's a very serious

1719
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:20,480
it's

1720
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,759
taken very seriously i think some of the

1721
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:24,880
takeaways from this

1722
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,000
that is most significant for me

1723
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,839
is there's a couple of different types

1724
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,520
of investigations that the

1725
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,839
inspector general's office did get

1726
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:34,719
involved in

1727
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:37,279
and one of them is an investigation so

1728
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,080
it'll be termed

1729
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,319
investigation typically this is where

1730
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,480
you have an alleged crime

1731
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,600
or administrative violation so you can

1732
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,600
have whistleblower complaints you know

1733
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,920
if if someone felt like they were being

1734
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:51,440
sexually harassed let's say in the

1735
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:52,080
pentagon

1736
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:53,600
they can make a complaint to the ig and

1737
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:55,040
that they'll come in and investigate

1738
01:08:59,349 --> 01:08:57,359
that that would be an investigation

1739
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:59,359
uh they can do audits because i've seen

1740
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,480
a lot of people on

1741
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,400
social media and everything saying oh

1742
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,520
great you know they're going to come in

1743
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,120
and say this is all a bunch of hokey and

1744
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,960
you guys are wasting money

1745
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:10,080
well no that's an audit so you know if

1746
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:11,440
they're coming in to audit something

1747
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,640
they're going to review how are you

1748
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,759
spending the money

1749
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:15,040
where is this going i want all the

1750
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:16,799
receipts this type of thing

1751
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,279
but they're terming it an evaluation and

1752
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:21,679
in fact the evaluation is so broad

1753
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,679
it's it's basically saying we want to

1754
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:25,920
know how you're dealing with it

1755
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,279
period so this this is a

1756
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:31,920
massive umbrella statement and could go

1757
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,799
from

1758
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,640
how are you dealing with it in your

1759
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:36,319
public affairs and messaging to the

1760
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:36,880
public

1761
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,159
how are you dealing with it in the

1762
01:09:44,149 --> 01:09:40,799
investigations how are you treating the

1763
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,159
uap task force how you know are you

1764
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,640
creating a conducive environment where

1765
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,400
service members can come forward

1766
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,600
and discuss this thing or you know this

1767
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:54,000
can spiral and fork off into

1768
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:56,320
multiple directions and included but not

1769
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:57,679
limited to

1770
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:00,960
it can break into both criminal

1771
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,840
investigations or audits audits being in

1772
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,640
this case

1773
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,520
uh you know the recommendation could be

1774
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,679
you're not spending enough money on this

1775
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:11,760
like you've got all of these cases here

1776
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,760
but you don't you're not funding it and

1777
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:15,199
you're not supporting it this is

1778
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:16,320
ridiculous you can't

1779
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:19,199
you can't get anything here uh you could

1780
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,159
also have

1781
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,239
uh you know criminal and administrative

1782
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,159
implications i know that that

1783
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,960
you know personally has been kind of a

1784
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,159
concern for me

1785
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:30,080
on the media side because i deal with

1786
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:31,520
their public affairs office quite

1787
01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,239
frequently

1788
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,199
and i will just tell you and i and i

1789
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,719
hate bashing anybody because

1790
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:38,800
you know it's easy to call the pentagon

1791
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,000
you think the pentagon is

1792
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:41,920
like this giant organism but it's just

1793
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,679
made up of people so i hate bashing

1794
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:45,040
people

1795
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,199
but you know i've never seen anything

1796
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,800
like what's been going on with the

1797
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,560
pentagon's public affairs

1798
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,640
on this particular topic you know the

1799
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,320
the

1800
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:57,120
ignoring it or fly out contradictory

1801
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,480
statements that's not

1802
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,880
i think i i hope people don't get the

1803
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:02,800
impression that that is how

1804
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,880
the department of defense public affairs

1805
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:06,880
in general across the board handles

1806
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:08,080
things because

1807
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,679
you know i deal with them on a whole

1808
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:11,280
good example would be when i spoke to

1809
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,000
public affairs

1810
01:11:15,189 --> 01:11:14,080
for the inspector general's office great

1811
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,199
you know they were

1812
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,360
able to provide me what they could nice

1813
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:18,560
enough polite enough

1814
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:21,280
got back to me within 10 minutes of

1815
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,320
calling

1816
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,880
that is not the case i think you know

1817
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,199
there's questions that i have asked

1818
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,520
uh about this topic that shouldn't be

1819
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:31,199
difficult questions

1820
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,239
you just mean it should be very easy

1821
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:37,040
i'm what are we in now may you know i'm

1822
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,159
running on

1823
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:41,040
18 months without responses to certainty

1824
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:41,440
and

1825
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:45,520
really good point

1826
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,840
um there is a line in this memo

1827
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,080
and i'm quoting here the objective of

1828
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:54,719
this evaluation is to determine the

1829
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:55,520
extent

1830
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:59,440
to which the dod has taken actions

1831
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,920
regarding unidentified aerial phenomena

1832
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:02,800
uap

1833
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:06,400
and quote and what that would suggest to

1834
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,040
me

1835
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:10,080
is the possibility of two things

1836
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,320
um one action are they referring to

1837
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,120
military action have you fired on these

1838
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,360
have you not fired on these is there

1839
01:12:23,910 --> 01:12:21,600
something is there a military component

1840
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:23,920
here that hasn't been addressed

1841
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:27,040
that's one but the other one is exactly

1842
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:27,840
what you're

1843
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,880
suggesting here that the inspector

1844
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,080
general now

1845
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,600
is probably sitting back listening to

1846
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,320
uh the spokes people coming out of the

1847
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:41,360
pentagon talking about this subject

1848
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:44,719
pretty freely right i mean

1849
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:47,440
and it's been going on for a long time

1850
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,000
and

1851
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:51,040
now the inspector general wants to know

1852
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:54,640
what they are talking about and if we do

1853
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,440
have uaps whatever they are

1854
01:13:01,110 --> 01:13:00,000
what is actually going on i need to know

1855
01:13:04,709 --> 01:13:01,120
these details

1856
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,719
now and i think that is uh directly to

1857
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:06,560
your point

1858
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,760
i i i agree and i will say with a pretty

1859
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:11,360
high degree of confidence

1860
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,960
that this actual um what has spurned the

1861
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,560
inspector general to get involved

1862
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,880
actually relates to congress i believe

1863
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:19,920
you know

1864
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,800
i'm really confident that that members

1865
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,760
of

1866
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,600
congress and in fact members that we

1867
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,760
have not heard from so far and may not

1868
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:29,520
come out publicly and say it

1869
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:31,840
members of committees that aren't on the

1870
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,120
intelligence committee which

1871
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,440
has been vocal senator rubio senator

1872
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,120
warner to an extent

1873
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,120
uh who discussed this but there are

1874
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,280
other elected leadership especially

1875
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:43,120
in particular with the senate armed

1876
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,320
services committee who

1877
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,560
is actually the one who governs and

1878
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,840
oversees the pentagon

1879
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:49,920
the intelligence committee handles the

1880
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,480
director of national intelligence

1881
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,880
they're very interested in this they

1882
01:14:00,070 --> 01:13:56,480
have been briefed on this

1883
01:14:01,350 --> 01:14:00,080
they're watching and i i have really

1884
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,360
good reason to believe that they're

1885
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:03,520
they're they have not been pleased by

1886
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:05,360
what they've seen in terms of both

1887
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:08,800
messaging uh to the public and to them

1888
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:09,760
you know because they're they're

1889
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,840
dependent on it i think that we we have

1890
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:13,679
this illusion that our elected leaders

1891
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,159
can just

1892
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:15,760
you know barge into the pentagon and be

1893
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:17,360
like show me all the files but that's

1894
01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:18,560
that's not how it works

1895
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:21,280
so they're equally as dependent on us

1896
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,320
they have a

1897
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,080
little bit closer chain to be able to

1898
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:25,840
request stuff and they tend to move a

1899
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,239
little

1900
01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:29,520
quicker but still they're dependent on

1901
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:30,000
them

1902
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,800
to respond and i think there's plenty of

1903
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:33,840
hints to that

1904
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,719
it was you know what two years ago now

1905
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,280
maybe a year and a half ago that

1906
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,760
mark walker who is a congressman on the

1907
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,199
homeland security

1908
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,199
committee i'm not sure how many people

1909
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,560
remember but he actually

1910
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,920
sent a letter to the secretary of the

1911
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,159
navy complaining saying that he was

1912
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:52,320
asking for information on this

1913
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:54,159
and felt like he was being stonewalled

1914
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,679
and felt like he was

1915
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,120
you know they weren't providing it for

1916
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,360
him and so i think that

1917
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,760
uh there's a combination of that where i

1918
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,960
think uh

1919
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:05,120
they have that congressional leadership

1920
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:06,159
has not been

1921
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:09,040
overly pleased with what they're hearing

1922
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,480
yeah uh

1923
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,040
and i i think that that is what's

1924
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,800
provoked this you know they they have

1925
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,560
this at their kind of disposal

1926
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,239
in a way kind of going nuclear here and

1927
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:20,320
saying you know what that's fine it's

1928
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,679
it's equivalent you don't want to get

1929
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,360
off my grass i'm calling the cops

1930
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,400
and they call the cops now and so uh it

1931
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,640
should be very interesting i i

1932
01:15:33,910 --> 01:15:31,520
the first point in terms of uh you know

1933
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,920
has the military used force or taking

1934
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:35,360
any kind of force action

1935
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:38,640
on any of these instances

1936
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,840
i would we wouldn't it'd be very very

1937
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,520
highly unlikely we would see the ig's

1938
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,520
office be the first to step in there

1939
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,760
that would be something more high level

1940
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:49,520
of a joint chiefs or something

1941
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,400
you know if we're really taking physical

1942
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,360
force action

1943
01:15:57,910 --> 01:15:55,040
somebody else is going to be getting

1944
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:57,920
there before because the ig

1945
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:01,040
their main job is to determine are you

1946
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:02,960
running the operation effectively

1947
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,920
efficiently cost effectively the whole

1948
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,000
nine yards and are you doing it by law

1949
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,120
you know are you and this this

1950
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,960
i i understand that for a lot of people

1951
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,480
this doesn't maybe look like

1952
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,000
disclosure or you're like how's this

1953
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:18,159
going to get us any closer to the truth

1954
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,440
um it can in a lot of ways and

1955
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:23,600
and especially in this in the instance

1956
01:16:26,390 --> 01:16:24,560
that you know

1957
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,400
if the ig's office comes in there and

1958
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,960
says well how are you responding to

1959
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:31,520
freedom of information act requests by

1960
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,400
people

1961
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,480
because that's a law like you're bound

1962
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:36,000
by law to respond to them

1963
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:39,120
are you effectively uh searching for

1964
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:40,320
these materials for people

1965
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,360
if these materials aren't classified are

1966
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,560
you releasing them

1967
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:46,000
uh if they are classified are you

1968
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,600
telling people you can't tell them what

1969
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:48,880
it is but you can at least say

1970
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:51,679
we can't release it because it's

1971
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:53,600
classified national security

1972
01:16:57,350 --> 01:16:56,320
i that's been one of the concerning

1973
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:57,360
things for me

1974
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,280
from my own reporting and i know others

1975
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:01,520
who who do a lot especially you know

1976
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,199
john greenwald from the black vault who

1977
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,360
does a lot of work on foia

1978
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,120
has run into these these kind of stone

1979
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,280
walls where the foia process isn't

1980
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,120
working like it's supposed to

1981
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,080
you know it wasn't long ago that i

1982
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,520
requested from the

1983
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:18,880
the navy safety center i wanted

1984
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:21,920
every single hazard report

1985
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,120
filed by the navy from 2004 to 2020

1986
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,440
all of them very specific all of them

1987
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,880
just give me all of them i'm not going

1988
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,239
to tell you

1989
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,320
and you know when i got the response

1990
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:34,000
jimmy they gave me up

1991
01:17:39,590 --> 01:17:37,360
11 12 000 reports and

1992
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:39,600
were very nice about it we were very

1993
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,400
quick about it

1994
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:43,760
but i noticed the reports from that

1995
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,600
were published in the new york times and

1996
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,960
the war zone uh

1997
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,040
some people maybe are familiar with they

1998
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:50,880
weren't there they were missing

1999
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,960
and so i had to ask them like well i

2000
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:54,159
asked you for everything and they said

2001
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:54,640
well

2002
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,800
you didn't ask for uap but that so

2003
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:58,560
you're playing a shell game here you're

2004
01:18:02,630 --> 01:17:59,840
playing games

2005
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,640
with the foia and you know they told me

2006
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:04,159
it was a mistake

2007
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:05,920
maybe it was but my question is why

2008
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,320
would you what expectation has been set

2009
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:10,320
behind the scenes that

2010
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,760
if i ask for everything that everything

2011
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,120
doesn't mean uap

2012
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:18,000
or ufo and so i think you know hopefully

2013
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:20,080
in that regard when they get in there

2014
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,760
that's the kind of stuff that that the

2015
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:24,000
ig's office can point out and say

2016
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:27,120
here's the law here's the policy

2017
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:29,120
if if you're violating it you're in

2018
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,480
violation of the law

2019
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,239
and that has could have criminal

2020
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:34,159
consequences civil consequences

2021
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:36,960
administrative consequences so i think

2022
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,239
it should be very very interesting uh

2023
01:18:43,270 --> 01:18:42,719
i'm very optimistic because i do i think

2024
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,280
out of

2025
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:45,440
uh all the different kind of components

2026
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:48,320
in the in the giant organ of uh

2027
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:50,000
the government the inspector general's

2028
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:51,840
office in general

2029
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:56,550
they tend to be the best and most

2030
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:58,239
objective and

2031
01:19:03,270 --> 01:18:59,920
anybody can kind of peruse some of their

2032
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:03,280
past reports i mean they they wrote a

2033
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:06,640
i think nearly a 200-page report uh

2034
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:09,600
a few months ago on a single tweet that

2035
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:11,840
was issued by former president trump

2036
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:14,239
i mean that's the investigation they did

2037
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:16,159
and i believe they issued it while he

2038
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,840
was still president and they said he was

2039
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,800
wrong

2040
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,480
he said here's you know all the things

2041
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:22,000
he's violated so even

2042
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,760
if you're the president they're going to

2043
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:25,440
call you out on the carpet

2044
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:28,480
so i'm i'm extremely eager

2045
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,440
to see what will come out of this now

2046
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:33,040
there was another

2047
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:40,480
another mention that really stood out to

2048
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:41,600
me

2049
01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:44,800
and one of uh

2050
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:48,880
the offices uh that uh the ig's reaching

2051
01:19:52,790 --> 01:19:50,000
out to

2052
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,800
is the military criminal investigative

2053
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:54,239
organizations

2054
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,440
now that the suggestion

2055
01:20:00,630 --> 01:20:00,239
of bringing in i mean the word criminal

2056
01:20:10,070 --> 01:20:00,640
is

2057
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:10,080
um it should be very interesting and i

2058
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,320
think it can go a couple of ways

2059
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,560
um you know let's just say off the top

2060
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,159
of the head one of the ones that we

2061
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,040
absolutely know will will be involved in

2062
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:20,560
this

2063
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,159
is the air force office of special

2064
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,000
investigations and the reason we know

2065
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:25,600
that is because

2066
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:29,199
about you know june of last year

2067
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,960
it was just it was two weeks before the

2068
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,480
pentagon released the

2069
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:35,280
um officially released the three three

2070
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,280
videos that had already been out there

2071
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:39,840
uh i had actually reported it through

2072
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,600
vice at the time

2073
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:45,280
and what i released was the

2074
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,679
office of special investigations

2075
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,280
investigative report

2076
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:52,080
on the release of those videos and and

2077
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:52,880
it was actually

2078
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:56,480
an investigation into luis elizondo in

2079
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:59,520
trying to determine if the those videos

2080
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:00,400
were

2081
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,840
they

2082
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,400
leaked unofficially this type of thing

2083
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,840
uh now

2084
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:10,560
a lot of people you know i'm sure a lot

2085
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,840
of your listeners and you maybe are

2086
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,360
familiar jimmy that the

2087
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,960
air force office of special

2088
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:17,360
investigations is in the ufo world is

2089
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,239
dun dun dun

2090
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:21,440
you know the men in black and um but in

2091
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,760
this

2092
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:23,840
instance the the office of special

2093
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:26,239
investigations is actually who is tasked

2094
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:28,000
with administrative investigations

2095
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:29,840
inside the pentagon so if you

2096
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:32,080
do something kind of screwed up but

2097
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,000
there's a lot of questions there that

2098
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:35,840
the ig is probably going to ask

2099
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:39,600
one why is an administrative

2100
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:41,679
investigation being launched on a

2101
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,719
former employee because luis alizando

2102
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:46,560
had left by that point

2103
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:48,719
so that would suggest that you're

2104
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,600
somebody

2105
01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:51,679
was trying to circumvent the normal

2106
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,360
channels which would be

2107
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,120
the defense counter intelligence and

2108
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,199
security agencies who handle security

2109
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,600
clearances but we're using

2110
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:01,440
someone inside the pentagon was using

2111
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:03,199
air force special investigations

2112
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,239
as their kind of tool to maybe go after

2113
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:09,199
elizonda for going out and more

2114
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,080
importantly

2115
01:22:13,590 --> 01:22:11,760
they concluded they wrapped up their

2116
01:22:15,830 --> 01:22:13,600
report saying

2117
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:15,840
you know we've concluded that there was

2118
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,600
no classified information on this

2119
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,760
and you know no sense of information

2120
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,960
free and clear we're done

2121
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,360
you know game over and that was early

2122
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:25,280
2018.

2123
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,960
by last year 2020 pentagon had still

2124
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,639
refused to release those videos

2125
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,880
and a number of people including myself

2126
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,800
had foia responses in for that

2127
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,800
they had no reason to withhold those and

2128
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,480
so when it comes to why

2129
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,880
different criminal investigations you

2130
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:43,520
know components may be involved

2131
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:45,760
it's very likely that just that example

2132
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:46,719
i said

2133
01:22:49,750 --> 01:22:48,320
ig investigators will probably want to

2134
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:49,760
talk to them they'll probably want to

2135
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,080
say

2136
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:52,880
why were you going to investigate this

2137
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:53,840
who told you

2138
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:57,360
to go look into this for an employee who

2139
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,800
had quit six months ago you you have

2140
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:02,960
you had no jurisdiction over him even if

2141
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,080
they determined

2142
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:06,400
okay well lu elizondo has committed a

2143
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,840
crime they would have had to turn that

2144
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:09,600
over to the fbi now

2145
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:12,719
so why who told you

2146
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:16,159
to go do that you know who forced you

2147
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,679
these agents who could have been doing

2148
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:19,760
something else to go investigate

2149
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:21,679
something that ultimately they may

2150
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:23,360
didn't have jurisdiction over and

2151
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:24,480
frankly

2152
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,920
it should have already been well

2153
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:28,480
established there is no like

2154
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,760
you know the system is very rigid

2155
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,679
there's no like oops i can't remember if

2156
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:33,280
it's classified or not

2157
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,120
you know right so there may be more of

2158
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:39,120
those instances that we're unaware of

2159
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,040
where you know has people in power

2160
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:44,800
use some of these criminal

2161
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:46,400
investigations components to

2162
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:49,199
threaten people or or use it as a tactic

2163
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,400
uh you know i

2164
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:53,440
i can't imagine that that uh there

2165
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:55,120
there's or i can't imagine there's some

2166
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,719
people inside the pentagon who probably

2167
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:58,639
aren't too pleased with people like luis

2168
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,199
luis elizondo or chris mellon that

2169
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,199
brought a lot of light to this subject

2170
01:24:08,470 --> 01:24:06,719
they certainly have and one of

2171
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,480
do you think i know this is uh

2172
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,239
speculation on your part

2173
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,560
but i would love to hear your opinion

2174
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:13,679
with the dod

2175
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:17,760
ig referencing uaps

2176
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:21,840
do you do you speculate

2177
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,199
that in their office there is

2178
01:24:29,110 --> 01:24:28,000
conversation about little green men

2179
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:29,120
right

2180
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:32,400
uap is one thing but is there uh

2181
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:36,320
an interstellar not of this solar system

2182
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,600
conversation that is happening there

2183
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:41,840
i think that every conversation that you

2184
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,639
could imagine

2185
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,719
under the sun that you see that goes on

2186
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,080
on let's say twitter

2187
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:48,880
and facebook or in public in general

2188
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,040
equally go on inside the government

2189
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:54,159
i think that people would be very

2190
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:55,600
surprised and shocked

2191
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:58,639
at the number of people who

2192
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:01,040
who are very interested in this think

2193
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,239
that it is serious

2194
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,080
you know recognize it either because

2195
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:06,000
they themselves have

2196
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,520
had a sighting you know whether they're

2197
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:09,040
a military pilot or

2198
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:10,639
maybe they have a close friend someone

2199
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,080
that they they trust

2200
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:14,320
who's had something i think you have

2201
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:15,600
people who think that it's

2202
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,960
silly just like you do in general um

2203
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,040
you know i think that you i think that

2204
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:22,719
there has been some discussion that's

2205
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,440
been out there about people who have a

2206
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:26,960
an aversion to the topic based on

2207
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,639
religious beliefs i

2208
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,480
i believe that is accurate i believe

2209
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,080
that that's true

2210
01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:35,199
and so um i guess

2211
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,840
to kind of clarify do you think that are

2212
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:39,600
you saying is there people in the ig's

2213
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,719
office who think this is

2214
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,639
silly and why are we having to do this

2215
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:44,159
or uh

2216
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,679
you know some that maybe think maybe

2217
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,199
this is alien

2218
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,760
well yeah i want to know if the ig is

2219
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,120
slamming

2220
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:53,920
a hand on the desk you know i want to

2221
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,400
know

2222
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:57,199
if this is mars attacks are we being

2223
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,080
invaded

2224
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,239
you know and i need to know what's going

2225
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,000
on

2226
01:26:08,229 --> 01:26:05,040
right well i i you know i

2227
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:08,239
in my experience the people who go to

2228
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:08,639
work

2229
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:11,440
for the inspector general's office are

2230
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,800
very much like you know back in law

2231
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:14,320
enforcement the people who go to work

2232
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,960
for

2233
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,880
internal affairs that type of thing

2234
01:26:20,950 --> 01:26:18,480
where

2235
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,960
you know they they believe in the system

2236
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:22,239
they believe in the rules and they

2237
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:23,600
believe everybody should abide by the

2238
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,719
rules doesn't matter

2239
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:25,920
if you're a cop or you're in the

2240
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:28,000
pentagon and so

2241
01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:31,600
i would expect them and i truly hope

2242
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,360
that this is the case you know i hope

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that my opinion of them is not

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inaccurate but i would expect them to

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treat this as professionally

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and as objectively as if it was

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anything you know if it was the weapons

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of mass destruction in iraq

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you know it doesn't matter and i think

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that's what's very important

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um that's their job is not to determine

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whether or not

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is uap real but is the pentagon

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doing enough to determine it is or isn't

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real

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so if you know if you if they interview

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people and they go this is a hokey we

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don't need to be dealing with this

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you know these are the type of

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investigators that say will show me that

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it's not

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why do you say that and if you if they

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just go well because

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you know i i watch some mcquest videos

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you go well i don't want to hear that i

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want to hear

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why you know i have these other people

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who have videos and are saying this i've

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spoken to pilots who've experienced this

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tell me

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why you know are they crazy and and i

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think that that's

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you know that's the way the approach

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should go and

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i would expect that because that's um i

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said i i encourage anybody

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there there are open and public that you

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can you can go to the ig's website and

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read some of their investigations

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they're they're very thorough and i

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wouldn't be

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shocked before it's all said and done

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that you know

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thought to be found on all sides

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our guest tonight of the debrief tim

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mcmillan i'm your host jimmy church this

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight tim

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mcmillan of the debrief we have

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01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:06,000
so much to discuss tonight tim i don't

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01:33:11,350 --> 01:33:08,080
know how we're gonna get it all in

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01:33:15,270 --> 01:33:11,360
um i i'm not even finished with this

2386
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:15,280
uh inspector general dod memo

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01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:18,800
um but we have to move on one last point

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01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:22,159
uh to this no actually i have two

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01:33:28,870 --> 01:33:25,840
one uh is the whole uh gs

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15 or military equivalent comment

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he only wants to hear from the top of

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the top he wants to hear from captains

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01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:33,440
he wants to hear from colonels he wants

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01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:33,760
to

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01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,880
hear from heads of divisions uh he

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01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,000
doesn't want to hear from

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01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:40,080
uh anybody else i'm saying he i'm

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01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,199
assuming the

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inspector general is he may not but

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um there's that point

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01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:51,679
and uh the other one and the chatter is

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01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,400
oh here we go now we're not going to get

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01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,320
the report in june this is going to

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01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,639
delay it this evaluation is going to

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01:34:03,510 --> 01:33:59,920
continue

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01:34:07,110 --> 01:34:03,520
and this is another uh a way

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01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,120
for for the man uh to kick the can down

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all great questions no i'm glad you

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01:34:14,310 --> 01:34:13,280
brought that up because that's it's good

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01:34:16,390 --> 01:34:14,320
i don't think

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01:34:17,830 --> 01:34:16,400
uh i haven't had a chance to discuss

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that but uh

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01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:19,280
first of all the the first point is

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you're absolutely right i mean that that

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01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,320
goes to the seriousness

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01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:24,480
of how the ig approaches this is you're

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absolutely 100

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01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:27,360
correct i mean that is the highest

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01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:29,600
general services pay grade

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uh you know above that is uh the senior

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01:34:35,750 --> 01:34:33,199
executive staff

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01:34:37,270 --> 01:34:35,760
scs's and so these are people who hold

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01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,280
you know equivalent of

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01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:39,840
general ranks and so they're not going

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01:34:43,109 --> 01:34:42,000
to bother them but the next one down and

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01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:43,119
so yeah they're saying

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01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:46,480
no i want i want boots on the carpet

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01:34:49,750 --> 01:34:48,000
yeah i want some heat under the fire and

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01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:49,760
some serious people

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01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,910
well i'm sorry i got lost track of my

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01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:59,520
kicking the can down the road

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01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:01,360
kicking the cam oh yeah yeah yeah there

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01:35:05,109 --> 01:35:03,440
you go yeah cause i was thinking of

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01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:05,119
so suddenly was picturing myself

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01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:06,719
thinking that you because gs 15 is a

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01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:08,000
high level seeing some of these people

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01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:09,920
who are really bosses suddenly

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01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,440
sitting on the carpet having to answer

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01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:13,040
questions

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01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:14,960
but that's a really good point because

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01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:17,760
they are they're faces to the fire right

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01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,800
now

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01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:21,199
and so when you're going to captains and

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colonels

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01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,800
and gs 15s most of the general public

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01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:26,239
don't understand

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01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,159
where we are at with this gs15

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01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,040
in general service that is that's the

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01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:35,280
top of the top

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01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:37,920
on your career path you will never be a

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01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:40,800
gs 15. right

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01:35:44,790 --> 01:35:43,920
that's it and that's it and it sends a

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01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:44,800
message too

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01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:46,239
it's just like you know when i when i

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01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:47,920
was in policing if if me as the

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01:35:51,109 --> 01:35:48,960
lieutenant got called

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01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:51,119
into the the major the chief's office

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01:35:56,550 --> 01:35:52,560
everybody below me went

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01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:56,560
oh this is serious so yes no

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01:36:00,629 --> 01:35:59,040
it sends a message uh in terms of the

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01:36:02,550 --> 01:36:00,639
kick in the camp down the road and

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01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:02,560
people concerned about the 180-day

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01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,280
report

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01:36:06,790 --> 01:36:05,199
one thing to bear in mind and this can

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01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:06,800
maybe alleviate some concerns

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01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:10,080
is the ig

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01:36:14,070 --> 01:36:11,520
you know this is the department of

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01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:14,080
defense's inspector general's office

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01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:16,800
so their their authority their control

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01:36:20,629 --> 01:36:18,400
and what they will be looking into

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01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,639
relates to the department of defense

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01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,360
uh the who has been directed to provide

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01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:25,360
the 188 report

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01:36:29,510 --> 01:36:27,119
is the office of director of national

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01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:29,520
intelligence two separate entities

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01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,199
so it's two totally different

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01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:32,719
organizations so

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01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:35,119
you know the the the dni the director of

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01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:36,320
national intelligence

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01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:38,960
is not they don't get a a pass now

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01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:40,400
saying well there's an ig investigation

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01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,600
you can't do anything

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01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,920
rather they're kind of that they're the

2484
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,520
neighbor peeking over the fence like oh

2485
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:47,600
what y'all got going on over there

2486
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:50,719
let's keep that there um it may

2487
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:53,920
actually quite frankly um

2488
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:57,280
benefit whatever the 180-day report

2489
01:37:00,310 --> 01:37:00,000
provides or the cooperation in preparing

2490
01:37:02,310 --> 01:37:00,320
that

2491
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:02,320
because suddenly even though the

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01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,679
directive is to

2493
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:06,239
director of national intelligence uh you

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01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:08,320
know the dni doesn't have a task force

2495
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:11,199
the dod does and so the dni is very

2496
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:13,679
dependent upon the dod being a good team

2497
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:15,520
player here and helping compile this

2498
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:16,639
information

2499
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:18,480
well now that the ig's office is

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01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:20,800
involved the last thing

2501
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:23,040
especially since the this evaluation is

2502
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:24,639
so broad and saying

2503
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:26,560
we want to know how you're handling it

2504
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:28,400
period not one specific thing

2505
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:30,800
the whole nine yards the last thing that

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01:37:33,669 --> 01:37:32,239
that anybody during a course

2507
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:33,679
investigation wants to hear

2508
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:36,239
is somebody from the dni's office

2509
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:37,520
calling

2510
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,920
in the ig's office saying hey aren't you

2511
01:37:42,790 --> 01:37:40,960
looking at

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01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,800
these people with this well just so you

2513
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:44,239
know they're giving us a really hard

2514
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:45,280
time right now

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01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:47,600
and we're trying to provide a report a

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01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:48,320
directive

2517
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:51,280
that expresses the will of congress and

2518
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:53,119
you know they keep stonewalling us

2519
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:56,000
these types of things so it may actually

2520
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,360
facilitate

2521
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:58,960
better production and maybe better

2522
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:01,520
cooperation that hasn't been going on

2523
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:04,960
i do you know caution people in terms of

2524
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:07,040
the report i know that the

2525
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,639
statutory requirement that was put in

2526
01:38:11,990 --> 01:38:09,760
there said you know we should be

2527
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:12,000
expecting something to come in june

2528
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,360
i'm not certain that they're going to

2529
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:15,600
make that date and

2530
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:18,080
that's not because of the ufo subject

2531
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,719
it's just

2532
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:21,760
how government works and i just uh

2533
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:23,520
i i say that in abundance of caution

2534
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,880
because i don't want you know

2535
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,639
let's say june passes and we have no

2536
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:29,679
report and people like well there we go

2537
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,320
you know

2538
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:33,040
maybe it does mean but it's also

2539
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:34,480
important to remember that

2540
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:37,360
uh right now especially when it all went

2541
01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:38,000
through

2542
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,760
and we just had a presidential change an

2543
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:41,440
entire administration change and that

2544
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,880
affects us everything

2545
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,760
so you have new undersecretaries so the

2546
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,800
director of national

2547
01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,639
intelligence avril haynes who just came

2548
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:50,400
to office you know she's just got there

2549
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:51,679
she's been here a couple months

2550
01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:55,679
and so um i sighed on

2551
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,960
on i'm on the side that says provide

2552
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,239
people with a good

2553
01:39:03,510 --> 01:39:02,560
solid comprehensive report that that

2554
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:03,520
earns public

2555
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,960
trust and really covers it to the best

2556
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,159
that you can

2557
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:10,960
right now um and if that doesn't come

2558
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:12,880
till august you know september

2559
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:15,199
so be it because you just came into

2560
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,560
office i'll give you that

2561
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:19,280
you know you you can get by by saying i

2562
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,639
just got here you know they kind of

2563
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:21,920
dumped this on me but

2564
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:24,880
we're going to get it for you um i think

2565
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:25,440
that

2566
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:26,719
ultimately and maybe i'm being

2567
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:28,880
optimistic i think that with this kind

2568
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:30,639
of uh i likened it the other day

2569
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,760
when somebody asked on twitter is a uh a

2570
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:36,080
pincer movement and warfare that's where

2571
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:36,400
you

2572
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:40,159
different sides and so i think if trying

2573
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:41,280
to get

2574
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,440
good information out about how the

2575
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,960
pentagon's been handled this subject i

2576
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,400
think this is this is a good thing

2577
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,760
because now there's there's two

2578
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:49,520
different sides who are separate but

2579
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,000
equal

2580
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:53,040
kind of attacking the topic there uh i

2581
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,239
think that uh

2582
01:39:58,149 --> 01:39:56,159
researchers and people in the ufo

2583
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:58,159
community that have been

2584
01:40:01,510 --> 01:40:00,320
uh involved with this subject you know

2585
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:01,520
for decades

2586
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,880
uh like myself uh extending things out

2587
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,080
another couple of months

2588
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,400
well this is just what we do we're

2589
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:09,920
acclimated to it tim

2590
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:13,280
it's it's okay but there are you know

2591
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:16,880
a whole flood of uh

2592
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:19,199
new personalities and people that have

2593
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:20,880
interested in the subject

2594
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:25,440
only since december of 2017 and ttsa

2595
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:28,560
where they think uh that this report is

2596
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,520
eminent

2597
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:31,520
it's going to be all about ufos and it's

2598
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:32,800
all about disclosure

2599
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:34,639
and they are pinning all of their hopes

2600
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:36,560
and emotions on

2601
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:40,000
uh june 2021 there's a potential for a

2602
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:41,600
lot of broken hearts

2603
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,360
where they're they're going to get a a

2604
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:45,440
taste of what the ufo community

2605
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,440
is like you i can see that

2606
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:52,239
wholeheartedly and and i you know try to

2607
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:52,880
tell people

2608
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,159
especially to try to maintain

2609
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,320
objectivity i'm not a member of the ufo

2610
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:58,000
community that's not derogatorily it

2611
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,440
just means that i can't you know i try

2612
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,840
to distance myself as much as possible

2613
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:03,360
but but i definitely see exactly what

2614
01:41:08,070 --> 01:41:05,119
you're saying in terms of

2615
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:08,080
for sure there's a lot of a younger

2616
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:09,600
generation or a lot of people

2617
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,239
and maybe you know i can include myself

2618
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:14,159
in that who's kind of you can't come to

2619
01:41:20,550 --> 01:41:18,159
you can you can't and that's okay that's

2620
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,560
come to this topic here

2621
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:23,440
in just the last couple years um and

2622
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,080
you're right i

2623
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:26,480
do think that the people who have been

2624
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:27,360
really

2625
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,800
looking into this topic for decades um

2626
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:33,040
they have so much more value and

2627
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,960
information on it they have so much more

2628
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:36,880
understanding of it sometimes people

2629
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,159
maybe seem cynical

2630
01:41:42,629 --> 01:41:40,800
but i think if you really dug into the

2631
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:42,639
history of it you understand why

2632
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:45,520
i mean these are people who watched the

2633
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:47,040
live press conference

2634
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,880
when colonel haynes the air force

2635
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,320
laughed and about the whole

2636
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:52,400
roswell thing and said you know it

2637
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,679
wasn't a weather balloon it was a

2638
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:55,119
special weather balloon and people are

2639
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:55,440
like

2640
01:42:00,550 --> 01:41:58,639
what the you know and so i i respect

2641
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:00,560
that and i think that

2642
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:02,880
the disclosure i guess the disclosure

2643
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:03,760
that i see people

2644
01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:06,480
wanting is like the government to come

2645
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:07,760
out and say

2646
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:11,040
this is real and i look at you know i've

2647
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,719
had some great conversations with people

2648
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:14,560
like david marlar

2649
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:17,119
or read you know books by barry

2650
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,639
greenwood people have been doing it for

2651
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,239
a very long time

2652
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:23,119
and i look at this stuff and i go good

2653
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,000
gosh i mean

2654
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:25,920
how much their disclosure i mean people

2655
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:28,560
have done incredible

2656
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:31,840
compilations of these sightings for

2657
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,880
decades and so uh you know i don't i

2658
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:36,560
think maybe the disclosure maybe people

2659
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,440
are like

2660
01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:39,199
you know once the government finally

2661
01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:40,560
makes it official then we'll

2662
01:42:44,709 --> 01:42:43,520
feel some gratification we'll feel

2663
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:44,719
vindicated

2664
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,800
sure but i but you're right and and i i

2665
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,719
have no problem saying it that

2666
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,719
i actually hope before it's all said and

2667
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,320
done that some

2668
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,760
you know whatever the government has

2669
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:59,360
going on now with their task force

2670
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,400
whether they

2671
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,960
expand that or how they're doing it now

2672
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,600
i hope they

2673
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,920
include some of the civilian researchers

2674
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:07,440
out here who have been doing

2675
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,560
serious work for decades because i think

2676
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:12,560
they can provide a lot of information

2677
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:14,639
yeah that's a component that needs to be

2678
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,280
there

2679
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:18,159
and and i always try to frame it that

2680
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,560
way

2681
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:21,520
we we need to uh put everything on the

2682
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:23,360
table it's it's just it doesn't need to

2683
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:24,880
come from one direction

2684
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:28,320
and speaking about that okay let's uh

2685
01:43:32,709 --> 01:43:31,040
let's address uh what happened uh back

2686
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:32,719
on april 9th

2687
01:43:37,750 --> 01:43:35,440
which uh going back to the uap task

2688
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:37,760
force and their report

2689
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:40,880
apparently somebody decided to give i

2690
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:41,199
think

2691
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:44,880
leak is uh the wrong terminology here

2692
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:48,400
um but somebody gave jeremy corbell

2693
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:51,199
and and george knapp a video and some

2694
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,560
images

2695
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,800
so let's talk about the flying pyramids

2696
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:57,040
uh for a second uh which you covered

2697
01:44:02,229 --> 01:43:58,400
immediately

2698
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:02,239
when you first saw the flying pyramids

2699
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:05,040
video what went through your mind

2700
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:06,400
well you know i'll be honest with you

2701
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:08,080
jimmy the first thing i thought uh you

2702
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,560
know

2703
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,080
i was stunned that this information was

2704
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:12,880
coming out uh the the particular

2705
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,239
images with the exception of the ones

2706
01:44:18,550 --> 01:44:16,320
that george shared uh because

2707
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,560
we had shared one of those back in

2708
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:20,800
december and i knew for a fact that that

2709
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:21,199
came

2710
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:23,679
from a intelligence report that was

2711
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:24,719
disseminated out

2712
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:26,159
and so i knew that those and i knew

2713
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,840
about the other two photos i knew that

2714
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,960
those existed

2715
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,600
i also knew that they were were captured

2716
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:33,600
with a pilot's personal cell phone they

2717
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:34,239
didn't really

2718
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:36,080
fall into the classification they

2719
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:37,679
couldn't be classified though they were

2720
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:38,639
trying to

2721
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,080
protect them i think not to

2722
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:43,840
withhold what the images showed but

2723
01:44:48,629 --> 01:44:45,679
rather they didn't want to discourage

2724
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:48,639
other pilots from coming forward um but

2725
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:49,520
then when i saw

2726
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:52,960
i was unaware of the the pyramid

2727
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,760
video or the the still slide frames

2728
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:57,920
going into the water

2729
01:45:01,669 --> 01:45:00,960
and i was stunned to see this come out

2730
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:01,679
like that

2731
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:03,440
and i i checked with some people and

2732
01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:04,800
said is this legit

2733
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:07,360
and the responses i got from them were

2734
01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,080
basically

2735
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:11,360
i can't talk about it which was yeah and

2736
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,040
so

2737
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:15,280
i first you know i i was shocked to see

2738
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:16,400
it come out like that

2739
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,119
um for a multitude of reasons one being

2740
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:21,040
just the control of information i mean

2741
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:22,159
the first thing i thought is man

2742
01:45:25,590 --> 01:45:23,119
somebody's in some

2743
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:25,600
trouble here you know even if it's not

2744
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:26,960
classified

2745
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:33,360
you know for official use information

2746
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:33,840
through

2747
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:36,560
unofficial channels just handing it out

2748
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:37,040
that

2749
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,239
and so i was really surprised to see

2750
01:45:48,709 --> 01:45:45,199
that in terms of what we were looking at

2751
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,719
um i don't know i you know i think

2752
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,520
i again i take this kind of middle of

2753
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:53,119
the road stance i think that there's not

2754
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,600
enough

2755
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:56,719
information that's provided whatsoever

2756
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:58,719
and that's not a knock on on jeremy or

2757
01:46:01,750 --> 01:46:00,000
george or anybody

2758
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,760
uh they may be information they don't

2759
01:46:04,390 --> 01:46:04,000
know or can't share for various reasons

2760
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:04,400
but

2761
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,360
uh you know i've seen some of the the

2762
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,920
theories proposed by them that this is a

2763
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,600
artifact of the aperture so we're

2764
01:46:15,430 --> 01:46:13,440
talking about the triangle now

2765
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:15,440
or the pyramid this is an artifact of

2766
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:17,040
the aperture of the camera that's taking

2767
01:46:20,390 --> 01:46:18,719
it it's making it look like that it's

2768
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:20,400
actually just a plane

2769
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:23,040
now that's a compelling argument um but

2770
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,760
i think that

2771
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:25,600
we you know one of the things that when

2772
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:27,600
it comes to let's say debunking

2773
01:46:31,350 --> 01:46:30,639
these we have to accept that we have

2774
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:31,360
very very

2775
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:34,400
limited information and so i wouldn't

2776
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,199
look at that

2777
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:37,760
and go yep there it is everybody aliens

2778
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:38,239
are here

2779
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,280
or you know this is definitely not

2780
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,560
anything of earthly origin or it's

2781
01:46:49,830 --> 01:46:47,600
it's something totally different

2782
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,840
nor would i look at it and go okay this

2783
01:46:53,590 --> 01:46:51,199
is definitely just

2784
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:53,600
bs because i don't know the context

2785
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,320
behind it

2786
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,239
ah and that's what i find i really would

2787
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,320
love to know and find out more the

2788
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,000
context behind it

2789
01:47:04,870 --> 01:47:03,440
uh because you know now that you know

2790
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:04,880
i'll say that i was as stunned when they

2791
01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,719
came out and i was even more stunned

2792
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,639
jimmy when the very next day

2793
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:10,480
pentagon public affairs said yep that's

2794
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:12,000
our stuff

2795
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:15,040
that was mind blown then

2796
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:16,800
so we know that it was officially

2797
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:18,080
captured and we know that

2798
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,760
because by their own admission that this

2799
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:21,280
was uap task force

2800
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:24,480
stuff and so you know

2801
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,119
what context was it you know i think the

2802
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:29,440
the argument that it is an artifact of

2803
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:29,840
uh

2804
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:32,480
the camera aperture if that is accurate

2805
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:33,040
then

2806
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:35,920
the suggestion is is what the the task

2807
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,280
force is incompetent

2808
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:39,520
i don't i don't think that that's true

2809
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:40,320
well yeah

2810
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,159
i'm not so sure that the task force

2811
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:46,480
um is incompetent i think that they're

2812
01:47:52,149 --> 01:47:48,840
looking at a video

2813
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,159
of something that was filmed over

2814
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,800
a u.s navy ship and they need to get to

2815
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:56,239
the bottom of that

2816
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,920
that clearly falls into the

2817
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:00,320
classification of uap

2818
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:03,760
if the ship doesn't know what ships

2819
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:06,000
in this case uh doesn't know what that

2820
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:07,760
is flying over the ship

2821
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:11,600
but the strobing aircraft light

2822
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:15,600
was very interesting and i'm not so sure

2823
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:18,960
if the ancient sumerians or atlanteans

2824
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:22,400
or the anunnaki are now

2825
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,159
uh faa compliant with their with their

2826
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,280
aircraft identification lights sure

2827
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,239
no i and i think and i've been you know

2828
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,080
attacked on twitter for saying this

2829
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,480
but uh because this all falls in the

2830
01:48:41,109 --> 01:48:38,000
same category of the

2831
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:41,119
the 2019 kind of

2832
01:48:43,669 --> 01:48:42,320
wave because we had a bunch of

2833
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:43,679
destroyers out there in the in the

2834
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:44,800
southern cal

2835
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,880
pacific who are doing workups and

2836
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,960
training who you know we know from deck

2837
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,480
logs and a lot of great reporting by

2838
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:51,840
dave beatty

2839
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:55,199
that uh and the guys of the war zone um

2840
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:58,239
that you know something drones is what

2841
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:59,760
they're calling them lights were being

2842
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,400
ships were being inundated with that um

2843
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:04,239
i have already i've looked at that and

2844
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:04,719
then

2845
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:05,840
and that's what i mean about trying to

2846
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:07,760
look at the totality of circumstances

2847
01:49:12,310 --> 01:49:09,360
and pay attention to the seams here

2848
01:49:13,270 --> 01:49:12,320
right um i started to look at what else

2849
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,280
is going on

2850
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:15,920
during this time frame and you know two

2851
01:49:20,229 --> 01:49:17,440
days before those ships

2852
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:20,239
departed for their training china had

2853
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:20,800
tested

2854
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:23,280
two different types of surface to ship

2855
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:24,320
missile systems

2856
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:25,760
in the south pacific a kind of

2857
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:28,320
provocative move um

2858
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,840
later on in that month you had north

2859
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:31,679
korea testing a ballistic missile so i

2860
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:32,480
think

2861
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:35,760
needs to be ruled out is does the

2862
01:49:40,870 --> 01:49:38,080
potential that these are because nobody

2863
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:40,880
you know i've been able to speak to one

2864
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,599
or two

2865
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:43,360
people who were on these ships different

2866
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,119
ships there's a lot of them out there

2867
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:47,040
who've described you they admit oh yeah

2868
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:49,360
we saw these lights and everything we

2869
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:50,719
thought they were drones

2870
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:54,000
simply because they moved slower than a

2871
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:57,119
airplane uh but not you know not

2872
01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,520
super fast they don't describe what we

2873
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:01,520
heard with the tic tac like say or some

2874
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,320
of these others

2875
01:50:05,430 --> 01:50:04,800
right and so they all thought they were

2876
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:05,440
drones

2877
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,440
and so you know for me i think the first

2878
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:09,440
thing that needs to be ruled out

2879
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:12,639
is uh you know this type of geopolitical

2880
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:13,440
posturing

2881
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,920
goes on a lot you know we do this to

2882
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,840
china and russia where

2883
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:19,920
uh could we see a situation where

2884
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,440
they're trying to provoke an

2885
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:23,760
air defense response so they can measure

2886
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:24,880
all of that data

2887
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:27,520
you know what can they you know or are

2888
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:28,320
they doing it

2889
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:30,960
as uh and this is kind of consistent

2890
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:32,080
with how china

2891
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,000
would do things are they actually flying

2892
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,520
around hoping

2893
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,800
that the us is going to shoot them out

2894
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,880
of the air so that way

2895
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,560
you know they can say well what's good

2896
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:42,080
for the goose is good for the gander if

2897
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:43,440
you're going to shoot a you know we were

2898
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:44,800
just joyriding

2899
01:50:47,990 --> 01:50:46,159
so now we're going to start shooting

2900
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,000
down stuff in the south china sea

2901
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,920
um that's very consistent with kind of

2902
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,280
chinese doctrine there

2903
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:53,360
so i think that has to be ruled out

2904
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:54,560
simply because

2905
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,679
thus far other than a lot of mystery

2906
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:59,520
lights we haven't heard

2907
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,440
a lot of the really crazy high-speed

2908
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:03,679
maneuvers the things that make you pause

2909
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:05,920
and go what is that we haven't heard

2910
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:07,920
that yet but but i also know that

2911
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:08,960
there's this question

2912
01:51:14,470 --> 01:51:12,159
of where are they coming from uh because

2913
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:14,480
they they know what ships were

2914
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:18,000
in the area um and so the distance from

2915
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:19,280
an operator you've got to have somebody

2916
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:20,000
operate them if they're

2917
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,360
drones and then the amount of time

2918
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:23,760
they're spending in the air and i think

2919
01:51:27,750 --> 01:51:26,000
we can at least based on all the

2920
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:27,760
information we have both officially from

2921
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,159
dex

2922
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:31,280
logs and then people that we've spoken

2923
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:31,760
to

2924
01:51:35,589 --> 01:51:33,199
these things were in the air for hours

2925
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:35,599
at a time these are not your

2926
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:39,280
walmart drone so this is

2927
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,560
potentially serious um but i agree with

2928
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:44,239
you i think that you see the flashing

2929
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:44,960
lights

2930
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,599
you know you're right yeah i don't think

2931
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:49,119
i i wouldn't understand

2932
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:52,239
why um if if we're talking about

2933
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:53,840
something that's truly other

2934
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:57,119
let's let's say um because i'm always

2935
01:51:59,589 --> 01:51:58,560
cautious to say what it could be

2936
01:52:03,030 --> 01:51:59,599
it could be aliens could be

2937
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:03,040
interdimensional could be who knows um

2938
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:06,560
i i don't know that they would adopt faa

2939
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:10,000
regulations and put you know

2940
01:52:13,990 --> 01:52:12,400
lights on their wingtips um i would

2941
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,000
really i'd love to know

2942
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:16,400
and that's the thing is we don't know we

2943
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:17,840
know that it was captured by navy

2944
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:18,960
personnel and we know that

2945
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,880
it was materials with a uap task force

2946
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:25,119
does the potential exist that these were

2947
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:27,280
materials that were used as examples and

2948
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,560
briefings and saying

2949
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:30,719
hey guys these are certain things that

2950
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,239
can happen

2951
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:34,080
with aperture of camera systems or

2952
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,920
certain things that can make people

2953
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:37,520
think they saw something weird but they

2954
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:38,480
didn't

2955
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,000
uh you know were these used as examples

2956
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:41,760
of misidentifications i don't know

2957
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,960
i don't know um

2958
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:46,800
you know it's and that i think that's

2959
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,639
the frustrating part about

2960
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,880
and and i don't want to say that my

2961
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:52,800
frustration compares to anything like

2962
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:54,480
i'm sure the frustration you've had over

2963
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:56,159
the years and many others where it's

2964
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:56,960
like

2965
01:53:01,109 --> 01:53:00,239
oh you know there's not definitive proof

2966
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:01,119
of anything

2967
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:04,250
and and that's frustrating um

2968
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,000
[Music]

2969
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:09,119
i um i and just like

2970
01:53:12,550 --> 01:53:11,199
anybody else has been following this

2971
01:53:15,830 --> 01:53:12,560
subject for for

2972
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:15,840
whatever reason um i want

2973
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:20,000
nobody wants flying pyramids

2974
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:23,119
not of this earth to be harassing our

2975
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:24,639
navy more than me

2976
01:53:28,229 --> 01:53:27,840
right i want that i want that video i

2977
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:28,239
really

2978
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:31,360
i am not joking around about that and so

2979
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,880
does everybody else

2980
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:35,520
right that definitive clear you know the

2981
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:38,000
patterson bigfoot film

2982
01:53:44,149 --> 01:53:41,520
we want that over the uss ellis

2983
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:44,159
absolutely we do unfortunately i just

2984
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:45,760
don't think that this video was

2985
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:48,880
it but i do believe it's indicative of

2986
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:49,920
what the uap

2987
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:53,119
task force is all about because this is

2988
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:56,800
a uap as divine as defined

2989
01:54:01,510 --> 01:53:59,920
by the united states navy

2990
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,520
you're absolutely right and i will tell

2991
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:03,520
you from people that that

2992
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,560
work with or work you know in

2993
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,239
are familiar with the task force and

2994
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:09,840
their work is

2995
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:12,960
i've always been cautioned listen our

2996
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:14,560
mission statement that has been provided

2997
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:15,280
to the public

2998
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:18,320
is true which is to try to investigate

2999
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,840
incursions that aren't initially readily

3000
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:22,080
identified

3001
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:24,880
and could that include you know drones

3002
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,400
could it include balloons

3003
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:28,400
yes you know it just means that we

3004
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,679
didn't know what it was at that

3005
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:30,639
particular time

3006
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:33,760
or that it was an incursion in

3007
01:54:37,189 --> 01:54:35,679
a denied airspace that we should have

3008
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:37,199
had control over

3009
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,239
um you know that isn't readily

3010
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,920
identifiable as being a foreign

3011
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,920
adversary or commercial drone because

3012
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,280
there are other components that that

3013
01:54:49,109 --> 01:54:46,800
would kind of get to

3014
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,119
and so you're absolutely right it

3015
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,639
doesn't mean

3016
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:53,520
the that everything is they're looking

3017
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,560
at the

3018
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:56,800
the saucer or the tic tac that just sped

3019
01:55:02,310 --> 01:54:59,920
off at hypersonic speed it can just be

3020
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:02,320
you know they film this thing we don't

3021
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,920
know because we don't have a good

3022
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:05,920
identification source of where

3023
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:08,080
somebody would have been flying a drone

3024
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:10,080
um i do hope

3025
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:12,080
you know for a multitude of reasons that

3026
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:13,440
uh you know it is

3027
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:15,760
being very thoroughly investigated

3028
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,159
because you know

3029
01:55:22,790 --> 01:55:20,800
i'm with you i i wanted to see the the

3030
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,800
pyramid too i want to see the flying

3031
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,560
saucer and the tic tac

3032
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:26,880
you know i'm very i'm always cautious to

3033
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,760
tell people

3034
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:29,280
you know what it you know what do you

3035
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:31,119
hope that is what is this

3036
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,719
because then it becomes the gospel but

3037
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:34,239
i'm always like look if i had to tell

3038
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,760
you my personal preference i want it to

3039
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:38,400
be aliens why because

3040
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:41,280
if something else can do it so can we i

3041
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:42,880
want to fly the cosmos jimmy

3042
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:45,280
that's right and we'll do that hopefully

3043
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:46,159
soon uh

3044
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,400
tim together let's take our break our

3045
01:55:52,229 --> 01:55:50,400
guest tonight uh the debriefs

3046
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:52,239
tim mcmillan this is fade to black i'm

3047
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:53,679
your host jimmy church we're gonna

3048
01:56:03,670 --> 01:55:55,119
continue this conversation

3049
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:06,470
[Music]

3050
01:56:14,070 --> 01:56:07,840
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3051
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:14,080
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am your host jimmy church great

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conversation tonight i expected this and

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so did you tim mcmillan is here

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of the debrief and uh tim really quick

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uh

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twitter what's your what's your twitter

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handle out there

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it is at lt tim mcmillan

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macmillan m-c-m-i-l-l-a-n just the a-n

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people add the eyes or the e's or all

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sorts of stuff but there you go

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man and uh i follow you and uh and

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everything that you do out there on

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social media

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uh today it is extraordinary the work

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that you guys have been doing

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and now god let's let's stay on subject

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here

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02:01:28,550 --> 02:01:27,119
um we were just talking about you know

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the flying pyramids i'm going with

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flying toasters

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tim by the way i'm more comfortable with

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02:01:36,629 --> 02:01:33,040
that but

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02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:36,639
the the images

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02:01:41,669 --> 02:01:39,840
um and when you first broke the story

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02:01:43,990 --> 02:01:41,679
of uh i don't know it was about six

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02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:44,000
months ago i immediately brought on

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02:01:48,229 --> 02:01:46,719
uh micah hanks uh to discuss all of that

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02:01:50,550 --> 02:01:48,239
and thank you micah

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02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:50,560
and and all of your excellent reporting

3187
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:53,840
uh tim and of course mj binayas but

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02:01:59,910 --> 02:01:57,119
um these images i find very compelling

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02:02:00,629 --> 02:01:59,920
the video okay all right let's back

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burner that

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02:02:05,189 --> 02:02:03,040
and we'll find out more in the future

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02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:05,199
about that the story did

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02:02:09,109 --> 02:02:07,520
uh did go away pretty quickly

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02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:09,119
considering it should have been the most

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02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:10,480
extraordinary

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02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:13,199
thing in the history of all of mankind

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and it

3198
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:15,840
it went away pretty quick in a couple of

3199
02:02:19,750 --> 02:02:17,520
weeks and i think that that's

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02:02:22,070 --> 02:02:19,760
because of what the video is probably

3201
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:22,080
all about but the images are different

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02:02:26,629 --> 02:02:23,119
for me

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02:02:31,189 --> 02:02:26,639
the images are compelling you mentioned

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02:02:34,470 --> 02:02:31,199
uh balloon i want to go to

3205
02:02:35,669 --> 02:02:34,480
what what nap has called the blimp

3206
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:35,679
photograph

3207
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:40,239
and i don't know why blimp is being used

3208
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:42,400
okay so maybe that's the way it was

3209
02:02:46,070 --> 02:02:44,960
defined in the uap task force report and

3210
02:02:49,510 --> 02:02:46,080
that's the name of the image

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02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:49,520
file that george got but that image

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02:02:54,470 --> 02:02:52,880
is crazy town to me that is an excellent

3213
02:02:56,629 --> 02:02:54,480
image it's very clear

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02:02:57,830 --> 02:02:56,639
and i don't know what i'm looking at i

3215
02:02:59,189 --> 02:02:57,840
don't see blimp

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02:03:01,589 --> 02:02:59,199
there what do you what do you make of

3217
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:01,599
that image

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02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:05,760
you know yeah we saw those images

3219
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:09,360
and uh well the one that we we released

3220
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:12,800
and uh you know again is you have to

3221
02:03:15,430 --> 02:03:14,239
look at it in context so if you look at

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02:03:16,390 --> 02:03:15,440
just the image you're right i don't know

3223
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:16,400
what i'm looking at

3224
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,320
here and i think it was it was kind of

3225
02:03:20,310 --> 02:03:20,000
funny because afterwards there was a lot

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02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,320
of

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02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:22,159
uh there were some great comparisons

3228
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:23,760
that people felt like they did with this

3229
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:25,440
this was gonna be a batman balloon and

3230
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:26,880
there was a lot of that

3231
02:03:30,629 --> 02:03:28,960
and people were like mad at us for

3232
02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:30,639
publishing it because we didn't publish

3233
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,679
the clear

3234
02:03:35,189 --> 02:03:33,280
you know saucer on the white house lot

3235
02:03:38,950 --> 02:03:35,199
i'm like look guys

3236
02:03:40,550 --> 02:03:38,960
i know and now god bless george knapp

3237
02:03:42,070 --> 02:03:40,560
and the pentagon of all things for

3238
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:42,080
coming out admitting it

3239
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:44,960
i knew it was a uap task force photo i

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02:03:46,950 --> 02:03:45,520
knew

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02:03:48,550 --> 02:03:46,960
that it was included in the intelligence

3242
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:48,560
report so now if you take that

3243
02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:52,159
into context here um

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02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:53,599
first thing we're going to say is that

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02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:55,679
when these intelligence reports

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02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:57,520
are produced and they're disseminated

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02:04:02,390 --> 02:03:59,760
and and these particular reports that we

3248
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:02,400
we reported on back in december you know

3249
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:03,520
these were shared

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02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,920
far and wide and not just within the

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02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:07,679
united states intelligence community

3252
02:04:11,669 --> 02:04:11,040
but also uh the five eyes network so our

3253
02:04:14,709 --> 02:04:11,679
allies

3254
02:04:17,350 --> 02:04:14,719
the uk new zealand australia

3255
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:17,360
people saw this but these are not this

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is not just

3257
02:04:22,870 --> 02:04:21,280
uh you know somebody's like ah you know

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i'm gonna type this up and

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02:04:26,229 --> 02:04:24,639
hit send on the email these are things

3260
02:04:28,229 --> 02:04:26,239
that are verified they go through

3261
02:04:29,430 --> 02:04:28,239
formal processes they you know want to

3262
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make sure you're disseminating good

3263
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information

3264
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:33,440
so uh there's a lot more behind that

3265
02:04:37,589 --> 02:04:35,920
that in terms of what else was going on

3266
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:37,599
that made it so intriguing for these

3267
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:38,320
pilots

3268
02:04:42,790 --> 02:04:40,960
and you know when george finally

3269
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:42,800
published all three photos we realized

3270
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:44,480
now because we we can look at the time

3271
02:04:48,390 --> 02:04:45,840
stamps of this

3272
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:48,400
that this this happened over a 32 minute

3273
02:04:51,830 --> 02:04:49,679
period of time

3274
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:51,840
so this object you know these pilots

3275
02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:53,760
were able to fly around it

3276
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,679
at different angles for 30 minutes

3277
02:04:59,589 --> 02:04:57,760
that's pretty impressive

3278
02:05:01,830 --> 02:04:59,599
and i think we have to recognize there

3279
02:05:04,310 --> 02:05:01,840
that that

3280
02:05:05,910 --> 02:05:04,320
if these are trained aviators these are

3281
02:05:07,270 --> 02:05:05,920
people that are seeing it and if you've

3282
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:07,280
got 30 minutes

3283
02:05:10,550 --> 02:05:08,800
if you're driving in your car and even

3284
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:10,560
if you saw something odd like that's

3285
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:10,960
weird

3286
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:12,960
i'm going to circle back around i almost

3287
02:05:17,189 --> 02:05:15,040
keep circling around for 30 minutes

3288
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:17,199
i think you probably figure out you

3289
02:05:20,229 --> 02:05:18,560
might have the benefit of being able to

3290
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:20,239
jump out of the car and go grab it or

3291
02:05:24,709 --> 02:05:23,119
you know that type of thing but you

3292
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:24,719
would probably have a pretty good handle

3293
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:25,760
on whether or not

3294
02:05:30,229 --> 02:05:28,960
this was a balloon um and i think that

3295
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:30,239
was the leading theory is

3296
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:33,679
it was a balloon i don't know what it is

3297
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:34,000
but

3298
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:37,040
the pilots

3299
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:39,440
you were able to view it for 30 minutes

3300
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:40,719
the pilots were able to take

3301
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:42,400
some photographs and the pilots were

3302
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:44,159
able to turn this in

3303
02:05:48,229 --> 02:05:46,800
uh above and say hey we don't know what

3304
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:48,239
this is uh

3305
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:50,639
when we did some follow-up reporting in

3306
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:52,480
fact when jeremy and george broke the

3307
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:53,920
news

3308
02:05:57,430 --> 02:05:55,760
it gave me a great opportunity to to

3309
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:57,440
share some of the information i hadn't

3310
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:59,520
had a chance to yet which was

3311
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:01,040
the exact reason that i had pulled all

3312
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:03,360
those hazard reports i mentioned earlier

3313
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:05,280
i wanted to see you know what is the

3314
02:06:10,149 --> 02:06:07,280
protocol when you run into a balloon

3315
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:10,159
you know what is it and what i found i

3316
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:11,760
did find some balloon reports

3317
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:14,400
and we published those in the article

3318
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:16,159
there no balloon reports that coincided

3319
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:18,000
with the time of those photos but i can

3320
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:20,320
tell you that even if they saw

3321
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:22,800
even instances where aviators saw

3322
02:06:26,069 --> 02:06:23,679
balloons

3323
02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:26,079
that were in uh government-controlled

3324
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,440
areas in their airspace

3325
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:29,679
that was treated seriously they reviewed

3326
02:06:32,390 --> 02:06:30,960
the videos

3327
02:06:34,229 --> 02:06:32,400
i mean it went all the way up to the

3328
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:34,239
command who signed off on it in

3329
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:35,840
recommendations

3330
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:38,320
and so i feel fairly confident in saying

3331
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:39,199
that we don't

3332
02:06:43,910 --> 02:06:42,320
have that with this instance that those

3333
02:06:44,629 --> 02:06:43,920
pilots absolutely did not think it was a

3334
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:44,639
balloon

3335
02:06:47,750 --> 02:06:46,400
the pilots who were there who were in

3336
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:47,760
the air who were

3337
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:48,880
you know circling around this thing

3338
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,280
photographing it when they landed

3339
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,880
or when they were in the air there was

3340
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,400
no expectation to them

3341
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:56,320
that it was a balloon and i think that's

3342
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:57,440
fascinating

3343
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,920
um and it brings up this idea of what

3344
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:01,280
are we looking at

3345
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:04,400
you know i don't know um

3346
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:07,119
it's it it's interesting if you put it

3347
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:08,639
in that kind of perspective and i

3348
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:09,760
especially

3349
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:12,560
uh you know i think that's why these

3350
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,239
sightings and these reports from

3351
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:15,920
the military are very interesting

3352
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:18,239
because it's important to understand

3353
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,639
the systems that are being used these

3354
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:22,639
are integrated systems these are systems

3355
02:07:27,669 --> 02:07:25,599
designed for warfare they're designed

3356
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:27,679
to be able to identify what's going on

3357
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:29,119
out there because

3358
02:07:33,030 --> 02:07:32,079
you know these systems you know they all

3359
02:07:34,709 --> 02:07:33,040
work together

3360
02:07:37,030 --> 02:07:34,719
and they have something that's called a

3361
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:37,040
there's a link system a link 16 which is

3362
02:07:41,350 --> 02:07:38,480
kind of like a high speed

3363
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:41,360
encrypted internet where it's not just

3364
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:43,119
that plane that's in the air

3365
02:07:47,750 --> 02:07:46,000
it's everybody in the fleet and so the

3366
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,760
ships that are down the surface vessels

3367
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,440
that are there they're seeing it all

3368
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:51,760
so you've got not just those two pilots

3369
02:07:54,629 --> 02:07:52,880
eyes on it

3370
02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:54,639
you've got everybody that's looking at

3371
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:56,719
the radar image they're looking at

3372
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:57,840
everything and you've got these

3373
02:08:02,709 --> 02:08:00,800
sophisticated systems that are

3374
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:02,719
don't have the human biases you know

3375
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:05,040
they're designed to determine what it is

3376
02:08:09,270 --> 02:08:06,840
they're all working together it's a big

3377
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:09,280
collective uh consider design for war

3378
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:12,000
the metric here is life and death and so

3379
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:13,280
it's fascinating

3380
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,119
to to consider that all of these systems

3381
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:19,840
collectively aren't able to determine

3382
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:20,320
what

3383
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:24,560
that is and and so

3384
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,560
i think when you look at it with that

3385
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:28,800
perspective you realize there's a lot

3386
02:08:30,950 --> 02:08:29,280
more

3387
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:30,960
do i have that data i can provide

3388
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:32,320
anybody no i wish i did

3389
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,840
don't we all i wish i could tell you

3390
02:08:37,189 --> 02:08:35,599
what the link 16 said i wish i could

3391
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:37,199
tell you what the radar was saying then

3392
02:08:41,830 --> 02:08:40,159
i wish i could tell you uh the backstory

3393
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,840
behind where these pilots just flying

3394
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:43,520
along and say whoa what's that

3395
02:08:47,189 --> 02:08:46,639
or were they actually as is was the case

3396
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:47,199
with the

3397
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,920
2004 nimitz event did they have

3398
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:51,599
something pop up on radar and they said

3399
02:08:54,310 --> 02:08:52,079
hey

3400
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:54,320
go check that out what is this going on

3401
02:08:57,030 --> 02:08:56,159
yeah yeah that's a totally different

3402
02:09:00,550 --> 02:08:57,040
situation

3403
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:00,560
and we do need to uh

3404
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:03,360
hear from uh the crew members of the

3405
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,079
ellis that

3406
02:09:07,189 --> 02:09:06,560
shot the flying toasters video we've got

3407
02:09:09,510 --> 02:09:07,199
to see

3408
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:09,520
we need to hear from them directly you

3409
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:10,880
know when

3410
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:14,480
uh the the the images were published

3411
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:15,199
about uh

3412
02:09:21,030 --> 02:09:18,880
not only uh the the blimp image which i

3413
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:21,040
find compelling i'm thinking mandalorian

3414
02:09:25,350 --> 02:09:21,679
by the way

3415
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:25,360
i'm going fully t on that but um

3416
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:29,119
uh the batman image we need to hear from

3417
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,320
these pilots

3418
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:32,560
do you think that the senate

3419
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:34,320
intelligence committee

3420
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,400
is going to bring them forward and ask

3421
02:09:40,790 --> 02:09:38,880
them uh to testify and speak about these

3422
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:40,800
images

3423
02:09:44,790 --> 02:09:43,119
i i i wouldn't be shocked if they

3424
02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:44,800
haven't already

3425
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:48,079
um you know i i know for a fact you know

3426
02:09:51,750 --> 02:09:49,920
i i don't know that any of the more

3427
02:09:52,069 --> 02:09:51,760
recent ones but but i do know some of

3428
02:09:55,990 --> 02:09:52,079
the

3429
02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,000
familiar with like commander fravor

3430
02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:58,960
um and the pilots from the 2015 incident

3431
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,000
they absolutely

3432
02:10:05,430 --> 02:10:02,239
did testify to the intelligence

3433
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:05,440
committee the armed services committee

3434
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:08,239
absolutely for a fact i know they

3435
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:09,040
testified

3436
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:11,360
to uh white house advisers for the

3437
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:12,639
secretary of defense

3438
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:14,639
and advisors senior advisors secretary

3439
02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:16,400
of defense they absolutely told their

3440
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:16,880
story

3441
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:20,159
and and you know told it

3442
02:10:24,310 --> 02:10:23,280
you know very fascinating detail one of

3443
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:24,320
the pilots

3444
02:10:29,350 --> 02:10:27,840
told me after their testimony very early

3445
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:29,360
on so this is

3446
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,880
spoke to this person very early in the

3447
02:10:36,870 --> 02:10:32,880
game so 2018-ish

3448
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:36,880
maybe um about their testimony

3449
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:38,480
and you know they expressed a little bit

3450
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:40,960
of frustration because afterwards

3451
02:10:48,229 --> 02:10:45,119
they said people were like what was it

3452
02:10:51,510 --> 02:10:50,790
i don't know and that's not my job and i

3453
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:51,520
respect what

3454
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:52,880
what that aviator was saying they're

3455
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:55,440
saying i'm telling you

3456
02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:58,560
it wasn't in my recognition manual that

3457
02:11:01,990 --> 02:10:59,040
you know

3458
02:11:04,149 --> 02:11:02,000
all these things that give the

3459
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:04,159
silhouette like this is what a su-57

3460
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:05,679
looks like this is what you know these

3461
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:07,199
different aircraft look like

3462
02:11:10,470 --> 02:11:09,440
they said it wasn't in anything

3463
02:11:12,229 --> 02:11:10,480
recognized

3464
02:11:13,990 --> 02:11:12,239
it's not anything that anybody has shown

3465
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,000
me since

3466
02:11:17,990 --> 02:11:16,880
it didn't perform in ways that i am

3467
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:18,000
consistent with

3468
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:19,760
you know aircraft being able to travel

3469
02:11:24,310 --> 02:11:22,000
and important to note not only are these

3470
02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:24,320
aviators trained pilots but all of them

3471
02:11:27,430 --> 02:11:25,679
if you look into their own backgrounds

3472
02:11:28,069 --> 02:11:27,440
all of them have degrees in engineering

3473
02:11:30,310 --> 02:11:28,079
and stuff they're

3474
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:30,320
you know they're they're well versed in

3475
02:11:33,910 --> 02:11:32,000
this stuff and they said i don't know

3476
02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:33,920
it's not my job to i'm telling you i

3477
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:35,280
don't know and somebody else needs to

3478
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:35,920
find out

3479
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:40,400
because i don't know so i would imagine

3480
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:44,079
um there's a lot of political interest

3481
02:11:47,109 --> 02:11:45,679
a lot more political interest than i

3482
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,119
think has been made public

3483
02:11:51,430 --> 02:11:49,440
so we've had a few senator rubio a few

3484
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:51,440
others who have acknowledged that

3485
02:11:56,310 --> 02:11:54,400
there's more interest and i it would not

3486
02:11:59,109 --> 02:11:56,320
shock me at all

3487
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:59,119
if these pilots had been asked to come

3488
02:12:02,069 --> 02:11:59,920
talk

3489
02:12:04,470 --> 02:12:02,079
now there's a there's another component

3490
02:12:07,510 --> 02:12:04,480
here which is

3491
02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:07,520
are you are you does it

3492
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:10,560
worry you that these

3493
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:13,119
three images uh well there was

3494
02:12:17,189 --> 02:12:14,480
additional images the

3495
02:12:18,870 --> 02:12:17,199
the water uh thing with that with that

3496
02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:18,880
object too as well

3497
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:22,400
yeah uh but and in this video

3498
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:25,760
that if this is the best of what this

3499
02:12:31,910 --> 02:12:28,800
report is going to contain

3500
02:12:35,270 --> 02:12:31,920
it's not strong enough right that

3501
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:35,280
this material on its own is

3502
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,040
is is not good enough oh yeah absolutely

3503
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,000
you know i i think absolutely that uh if

3504
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,840
that's the best of what we've got here

3505
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:45,280
that's a concern

3506
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:48,560
you know i i certainly

3507
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:50,239
i think you know in the balance of

3508
02:12:54,310 --> 02:12:51,840
probabilities i think that it

3509
02:12:55,189 --> 02:12:54,320
is highly probable that there is much

3510
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:55,199
better

3511
02:13:02,069 --> 02:12:58,800
evidence that that has been captured um

3512
02:13:03,589 --> 02:13:02,079
you know down to the fact that uh even

3513
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:03,599
and i think better evidence has been

3514
02:13:05,669 --> 02:13:04,560
presented to people like the

3515
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,679
intelligence community

3516
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,440
and the reason that i say that is

3517
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:09,199
because when you have somebody like

3518
02:13:15,189 --> 02:13:12,639
marco rubio uh come forward and

3519
02:13:16,069 --> 02:13:15,199
discuss this publicly on on television

3520
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:16,079
if you if

3521
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,760
if people set aside all their political

3522
02:13:20,629 --> 02:13:19,119
biases and or whatever

3523
02:13:22,629 --> 02:13:20,639
you lean in everything but recognize

3524
02:13:25,350 --> 02:13:22,639
these are politicians you know they

3525
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:25,360
want to get reelected and marco rubio in

3526
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:26,159
particular

3527
02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:27,920
you know he was a former presidential

3528
02:13:33,030 --> 02:13:30,000
candidate uh in 2016

3529
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:33,040
and he's he's relatively young and a

3530
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:34,719
relatively well-known

3531
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:36,880
figure it would not shock me to see him

3532
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,320
try to run for president again

3533
02:13:42,870 --> 02:13:41,440
at some point and so as politicians you

3534
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:42,880
you don't

3535
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:45,360
you know they have these teams of staff

3536
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:46,960
you have all these people that that

3537
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:49,040
uh you know vet what they say check what

3538
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:50,560
they say

3539
02:13:53,270 --> 02:13:52,000
you don't just decide hey you know i'm

3540
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:53,280
gonna go willy-nilly on this one and

3541
02:13:57,910 --> 02:13:54,719
start talking about ufos

3542
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:57,920
you know it's going to be examined how

3543
02:14:01,270 --> 02:13:59,840
is this going to come back and affect us

3544
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:01,280
you know in four years from now if you

3545
02:14:04,310 --> 02:14:02,639
want to run for president are we going

3546
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:04,320
to get embarrassed by this like all of

3547
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,480
these things get taken into account

3548
02:14:10,790 --> 02:14:09,280
and so the fact that they're willing to

3549
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:10,800
come forward and talk about it

3550
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,560
and i think i've been impressed by how

3551
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:16,480
uh some of the politicians especially

3552
02:14:20,390 --> 02:14:18,079
marco rubio has addressed it

3553
02:14:21,910 --> 02:14:20,400
i've realized no this is he's not

3554
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:21,920
shooting from the cuff here

3555
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:22,960
this is something that has been

3556
02:14:27,109 --> 02:14:24,639
discussed with his staff it's something

3557
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:27,119
that's been polished you know he's he's

3558
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:29,199
well prepared to discuss it meaning this

3559
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:31,119
is a thought through

3560
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:33,679
plan in terms of bringing this out and

3561
02:14:37,030 --> 02:14:34,560
and feeling

3562
02:14:38,950 --> 02:14:37,040
pretty darn confident that you know it's

3563
02:14:41,350 --> 02:14:38,960
not going to come back that all he's

3564
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:41,360
seen is just the images that we've seen

3565
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,719
and you know so i would say that right

3566
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:46,079
there alone

3567
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:47,920
would leave me to believe that there is

3568
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:49,599
better stuff out there

3569
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:51,840
all right yeah well let's talk about

3570
02:14:55,830 --> 02:14:52,800
that for a second

3571
02:14:59,669 --> 02:14:55,840
uh there's been a lot of chatter

3572
02:15:02,470 --> 02:14:59,679
about this uh triangle

3573
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:02,480
ship coming out of the water or going in

3574
02:15:08,790 --> 02:15:04,159
or coming out

3575
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:08,800
um bob mcguire uh who you know

3576
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:12,480
bob says that he thinks he either saw

3577
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:12,800
that

3578
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:18,159
similar to what has been described out

3579
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:19,199
there

3580
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:32,390
tim have you seen this image

3581
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:35,910
any images that that would be classified

3582
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:37,199
for whatever reasons

3583
02:15:41,910 --> 02:15:40,480
um you know the the the general public

3584
02:15:43,669 --> 02:15:41,920
who does not hold a security clearance

3585
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,679
which i do not are not allowed to

3586
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:45,599
to see these for obvious reasons how

3587
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:48,239
cool was the image when you saw it

3588
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:54,629
oh wouldn't it be great if i could just

3589
02:15:57,830 --> 02:15:56,000
say you know

3590
02:15:59,510 --> 02:15:57,840
there it is there's the proof there's

3591
02:16:00,870 --> 02:15:59,520
the there's the smoking gun that

3592
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:00,880
everybody wants watching you

3593
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:03,360
squirm right now in your chair is just

3594
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:04,159
awesome

3595
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:07,440
by the way but what what

3596
02:16:13,830 --> 02:16:10,880
what what is the story behind this image

3597
02:16:14,470 --> 02:16:13,840
well i wanna and first let me just touch

3598
02:16:16,709 --> 02:16:14,480
real quick

3599
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,719
on in terms of what's why there will be

3600
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:18,079
any squirming or why

3601
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:19,280
because i'm sure everybody's going to go

3602
02:16:21,589 --> 02:16:21,040
geez tim just danced around that you

3603
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:21,599
know i

3604
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,119
in fact i'm about to pull a louis

3605
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:24,960
lozando and say my nda but i don't have

3606
02:16:28,470 --> 02:16:25,760
any ndas

3607
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:28,480
but i do uh you know it is important for

3608
02:16:31,350 --> 02:16:30,000
people to realize that we do try to

3609
02:16:31,990 --> 02:16:31,360
approach this as a professional

3610
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,000
journalism

3611
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:33,679
and you know it's buried down there at

3612
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:35,280
the bottom of our website but we do have

3613
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:37,040
an editorial standards that go through

3614
02:16:39,669 --> 02:16:38,479
all these things and one of the things

3615
02:16:42,309 --> 02:16:39,679
is is that

3616
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:42,319
when you deal with sources you know

3617
02:16:44,389 --> 02:16:43,280
you're dealing in this

3618
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:44,399
national security world you have to deal

3619
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:46,800
with anonymous sources sometimes and

3620
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:49,120
how you bring out information i don't

3621
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,719
think people realize is that we're

3622
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:52,319
we're legally bound to protect those

3623
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,840
sources we have to be cautious about

3624
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:55,519
what we say so let me put it that way so

3625
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:56,160
that's why

3626
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:58,240
you know if i i'm trying to be cautious

3627
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:59,439
because we're legally bound to that you

3628
02:17:02,790 --> 02:17:00,240
know we can be

3629
02:17:04,309 --> 02:17:02,800
civilly sued and we're morally bound to

3630
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:04,319
that if i'd say jimmy

3631
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:06,319
um i won't do anything that could cost

3632
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,000
you your job or get you in trouble

3633
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,960
i owe you that um now what was that what

3634
02:17:15,220 --> 02:17:12,960
was the latter part of that

3635
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:15,230
so how cool was the image

3636
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:16,960
[Laughter]

3637
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:20,719
i will tell you that uh it was

3638
02:17:26,469 --> 02:17:24,160
shocking enough that it went viral

3639
02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:26,479
amongst the intelligence community yes

3640
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:27,840
that uh a

3641
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:31,040
number of people who have nothing to do

3642
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:33,359
with the uap task force whatsoever ufos

3643
02:17:36,070 --> 02:17:34,639
like this is not

3644
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:36,080
and it's important for people to

3645
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,040
understand that when i say the

3646
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:39,200
intelligence community

3647
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:41,679
i mean this with the utmost respect but

3648
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:43,040
if you see the intelligence community it

3649
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:44,800
does not look like james bond

3650
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:46,559
these are mostly computer nerds these

3651
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:48,639
are mostly analysts these are not

3652
02:17:52,870 --> 02:17:51,760
so uh you know in trying to parse out

3653
02:17:55,030 --> 02:17:52,880
information

3654
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:55,040
uh you know that people were saying that

3655
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:56,719
they came these reports it was a lot

3656
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:59,840
it was a lot like uh imagine if you

3657
02:18:04,629 --> 02:18:00,719
handed

3658
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:04,639
you know a ufo report to your

3659
02:18:07,830 --> 02:18:06,080
your uncle your cousin who's an

3660
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:07,840
accountant and they've never been into

3661
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:09,439
ufos but like wow so a lot of the

3662
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:10,160
details

3663
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:12,000
you know they're not as focused as

3664
02:18:15,190 --> 02:18:13,200
details of people have been paying

3665
02:18:18,790 --> 02:18:15,200
attention to it for a long time

3666
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:18,800
but uh the images definitely went viral

3667
02:18:22,070 --> 02:18:19,359
amongst

3668
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:22,080
people uh to the point where you know

3669
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:23,519
even in

3670
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,840
these dc built way neighborhoods where

3671
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:26,719
everybody

3672
02:18:30,469 --> 02:18:28,639
you know all your neighbors work at some

3673
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:30,479
some three-letter agency and everything

3674
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:31,920
we're talking about it amongst each

3675
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,399
other

3676
02:18:36,309 --> 02:18:34,160
you know have you seen this this is

3677
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:36,319
crazy for a lot of people

3678
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:39,280
in these professional positions uh when

3679
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:40,880
these kind of reports were disseminated

3680
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:41,920
it was the first time they

3681
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:44,960
recognized like oh wow this is real

3682
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:47,200
you know they grew up on the impression

3683
02:18:51,110 --> 02:18:48,479
a lot of people have that

3684
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:51,120
oh ufos are silly that's you know sci-fi

3685
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,479
or uh

3686
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,319
kooky but when you're seeing official

3687
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:55,519
reports and so

3688
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:57,840
it was the image was compelling enough

3689
02:19:03,990 --> 02:19:00,240
that it generated a lot of

3690
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,000
a lot of a lot of buzz was the image

3691
02:19:11,750 --> 02:19:07,840
uh similar to the

3692
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:11,760
the artist uh uh depiction

3693
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:15,200
uh that that went around on the net

3694
02:19:22,230 --> 02:19:18,840
it was the the object itself

3695
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:22,240
yes very interesting now um

3696
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:26,559
and i asked bob this let me ask you um

3697
02:19:33,910 --> 02:19:30,960
do you think that that craft

3698
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:33,920
was just ours you know some some black

3699
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:34,800
program

3700
02:19:39,150 --> 02:19:38,000
and and and it's ours and not

3701
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:39,160
necessarily

3702
02:19:45,750 --> 02:19:42,960
extraterrestrial um

3703
02:19:46,309 --> 02:19:45,760
i think with with with the vast majority

3704
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:46,319
of these

3705
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:48,080
that are that we're calling uap so it's

3706
02:19:51,830 --> 02:19:49,520
let's we're going to lump

3707
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,840
the triangle the tic tac you know these

3708
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:53,120
types of things

3709
02:19:57,270 --> 02:19:56,080
no i i don't think they're ours uh for a

3710
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:57,280
couple of reasons uh

3711
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:01,600
one is uh i've yet to find anybody and

3712
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:02,160
i've tried

3713
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:03,920
and you know i've quoted them in

3714
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:06,160
articles before named so not unnamed

3715
02:20:10,309 --> 02:20:07,200
sources but

3716
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,319
but experts in aviation or in the

3717
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:12,080
the fast movers article which is the one

3718
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:13,439
where we talked about those intelligence

3719
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,960
reports and actually revealed that the

3720
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,319
triangle photo

3721
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:18,479
uh you know i interviewed the former air

3722
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,319
force general who's in charge of

3723
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:21,760
specialized training

3724
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:25,439
and the air attache for russia and um

3725
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:28,240
you know this was a retired general who

3726
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,280
you know this was his

3727
02:20:32,550 --> 02:20:31,840
his deal and so you know when i asked

3728
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:32,560
him

3729
02:20:35,750 --> 02:20:34,880
um so what do you think the likelihood

3730
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:35,760
is that

3731
02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:37,359
everybody's response has always been the

3732
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:38,800
same and i agree with it and understand

3733
02:20:42,870 --> 02:20:40,560
the bureaucracy is everybody's like

3734
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:42,880
there's no way because you're never

3735
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,720
going to get anybody to sign off on that

3736
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,319
but the idea of flying classified

3737
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:48,880
technology without notifying your other

3738
02:20:53,190 --> 02:20:51,120
personnel

3739
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:53,200
the risks that are involved in that are

3740
02:20:55,910 --> 02:20:54,240
just too great

3741
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:55,920
you know if something bad was to happen

3742
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:58,080
you know if commander fravor had

3743
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,520
you know in pursuing the tic tac had

3744
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:01,359
lost control of his jet

3745
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:02,800
and god forbid something happened to him

3746
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:04,000
how do you explain that you know there's

3747
02:21:10,150 --> 02:21:06,880
a real it's a it's an unnecessary risk

3748
02:21:10,950 --> 02:21:10,160
uh you know i i want to just really

3749
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:10,960
quickly

3750
02:21:15,349 --> 02:21:13,600
uh because i'm going to stay on subject

3751
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:15,359
but one of the things that

3752
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:19,359
uh fravor uh uh testified

3753
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:21,920
and spoken about he was asked man are

3754
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:23,040
you armed

3755
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:26,720
right what have you got man you got

3756
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:28,479
bullets in your gun

3757
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,600
that that was a crazy question uh for

3758
02:21:37,030 --> 02:21:33,920
not only fravor to

3759
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:37,040
uh to hear but he had to answer it too

3760
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:40,160
i got nothing you know so what were they

3761
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,800
what were they thinking that they that

3762
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:44,479
what if he was armed he was going to

3763
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:46,800
fire on the tic tac

3764
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:51,040
yeah or be able to defend himself jimmy

3765
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:52,479
that one of the most compelling

3766
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:55,200
interviews that i did regarding the 2004

3767
02:21:59,750 --> 02:21:56,240
nimitz incident

3768
02:22:01,990 --> 02:21:59,760
was with fravor's wing woman

3769
02:22:04,469 --> 02:22:02,000
who has not come forward she is still

3770
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:04,479
serving in the navy and i understand why

3771
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:06,319
she you know and basically she can't

3772
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:07,760
come forward because she's she's still

3773
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:08,560
serving

3774
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:10,240
and so that has to be improved and all

3775
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:11,840
these types of things

3776
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,920
but you know she did appear on the

3777
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:15,840
television show blacked out

3778
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:18,800
and she was nice enough to to speak to

3779
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:20,080
me on background

3780
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:22,160
meaning that i agreed i wouldn't name

3781
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:23,840
her that type of thing

3782
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:26,960
and that interview jimmy that really and

3783
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:27,439
and i

3784
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:31,200
people kind of follow through the stuff

3785
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:32,640
i was writing

3786
02:22:36,710 --> 02:22:34,640
you know i pursued this first not trying

3787
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:36,720
to prove that it was

3788
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,800
aliens or ufos but rather we can figure

3789
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,479
this out this is going to be

3790
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:42,000
you know some type of testing sometimes

3791
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,000
electronics

3792
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:45,600
but when i spoke to her it was very

3793
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:47,120
compelling the first thing that she

3794
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:50,240
she said that i still

3795
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:52,960
kind of kick around in my my head was

3796
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:55,040
that what alarmed her the most is when

3797
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,120
they first

3798
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:59,600
encountered the tic-tac object when it

3799
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:01,359
was hovering over the ocean

3800
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:03,840
it was moving erratically she described

3801
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:05,359
it like a ping-pong paw

3802
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:07,439
like zipping around like like a house

3803
02:23:12,710 --> 02:23:09,040
fly

3804
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:12,720
and very chaotic very it's just very

3805
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:13,680
abnormal

3806
02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:15,680
and and that's that's how i you know

3807
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:17,200
i've sat there and kicked it around my

3808
02:23:20,469 --> 02:23:18,800
mind going what the heck is that because

3809
02:23:21,830 --> 02:23:20,479
if it's a drone

3810
02:23:23,429 --> 02:23:21,840
you know drones are designed by human

3811
02:23:24,710 --> 02:23:23,439
beings they're going to be the flight

3812
02:23:25,910 --> 02:23:24,720
characteristics can be something that

3813
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:25,920
would make sense to us

3814
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:28,319
so it was this nonsensical you know

3815
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:29,920
bouncing all around

3816
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:32,080
why is it doing that that's weird how is

3817
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:34,160
it doing it it is obviously a

3818
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:36,960
a better question but why but what she

3819
02:23:39,990 --> 02:23:38,399
told me and it really put this in

3820
02:23:43,270 --> 02:23:40,000
perspective

3821
02:23:45,510 --> 02:23:43,280
is uh that as the thing

3822
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:45,520
you know started to kind of pursue

3823
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:46,880
commander fravor

3824
02:23:52,710 --> 02:23:50,080
and he uh you know years later i think

3825
02:23:53,990 --> 02:23:52,720
that that he tells it you know like oh

3826
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:54,000
my gosh they're following me

3827
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:55,120
you know i've talked to people who

3828
02:23:57,910 --> 02:23:56,640
either heard the radios at the time or

3829
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:57,920
they were there was like

3830
02:24:01,270 --> 02:23:59,520
you know the response was more of like

3831
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,280
holy you know

3832
02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:04,160
i'm engaged you know this thing's lining

3833
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,160
up to take a shot on me

3834
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:09,040
um her the first thing that went through

3835
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:09,840
her mind

3836
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:12,560
was that she was unloaded she had no

3837
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:13,680
weapon systems

3838
02:24:18,469 --> 02:24:16,640
that she was mentally preparing herself

3839
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:18,479
that if necessary

3840
02:24:24,710 --> 02:24:22,080
to fly her jet and use it

3841
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:24,720
as a weapon to stop this thing if it

3842
02:24:27,590 --> 02:24:26,000
started to go

3843
02:24:29,670 --> 02:24:27,600
towards the fleet or started to take out

3844
02:24:31,590 --> 02:24:29,680
the carrier that's

3845
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:31,600
you know as people just stop for a

3846
02:24:34,630 --> 02:24:32,720
minute and think about that

3847
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:34,640
first of all it says something about our

3848
02:24:38,150 --> 02:24:36,080
aviators and service personnel

3849
02:24:41,270 --> 02:24:38,160
they were essentially saying you know we

3850
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:41,280
may have to sacrifice ourselves to save

3851
02:24:44,550 --> 02:24:44,319
others but that gives you the gravity of

3852
02:24:48,230 --> 02:24:44,560
the

3853
02:24:50,150 --> 02:24:48,240
perceived it

3854
02:24:51,429 --> 02:24:50,160
this was not training this is not

3855
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:51,439
anything

3856
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:54,880
and uh i hope that uh you know when she

3857
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,560
retires someday i do hope that she comes

3858
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:58,080
forward for no other reason that i think

3859
02:25:01,110 --> 02:24:59,359
it would be great

3860
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:01,120
for the public to see that when i'm

3861
02:25:06,389 --> 02:25:03,040
speaking to her in 2018

3862
02:25:08,710 --> 02:25:06,399
19 whenever it was um

3863
02:25:11,429 --> 02:25:08,720
you know we've heard her story told from

3864
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:11,439
2004 and when she was a new pilot

3865
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:13,200
you know kind of i think this was her

3866
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:14,880
first fleet assignment so she's just

3867
02:25:17,830 --> 02:25:16,240
getting there to the fleet

3868
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:17,840
in fact i think her call sign was the

3869
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:19,760
new girl something like that

3870
02:25:27,510 --> 02:25:24,000
um the pilot that i spoke to years later

3871
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,520
is a extremely accomplished aviator

3872
02:25:33,110 --> 02:25:30,800
who had has spent time

3873
02:25:34,469 --> 02:25:33,120
with boots on the ground in a war zone

3874
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:34,479
not just in the jets

3875
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:36,560
but but she actually you know spent time

3876
02:25:38,950 --> 02:25:38,399
volunteered for assignments where she

3877
02:25:41,270 --> 02:25:38,960
actually was

3878
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:41,280
in afghanistan with boots on the ground

3879
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:42,560
for you know

3880
02:25:47,349 --> 02:25:45,439
over a year uh this very accomplished

3881
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:47,359
person this is a serious person who's

3882
02:25:51,910 --> 02:25:49,359
been in some serious situations

3883
02:25:52,870 --> 02:25:51,920
and so to still tell that story later

3884
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:52,880
and

3885
02:25:56,309 --> 02:25:54,479
kind of be able to pick up that emotion

3886
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:56,319
of thinking gosh you know what's going

3887
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:57,439
through your mind and

3888
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:59,520
and i think you know she's rightly so

3889
02:26:02,230 --> 02:26:00,960
and frankly i would

3890
02:26:03,990 --> 02:26:02,240
be with her and i would hope a lot of

3891
02:26:06,070 --> 02:26:04,000
people would too that if it came out

3892
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:06,080
that if it was some type of

3893
02:26:10,469 --> 02:26:09,600
blue on blue training uh whatever it

3894
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:10,479
could have been

3895
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:13,439
to put put people at risk like that and

3896
02:26:16,389 --> 02:26:14,960
put them in a position where they have

3897
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:16,399
to contemplate

3898
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:18,960
you know turning into a kamikaze pilot

3899
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:21,120
to save their their sailors that's

3900
02:26:25,110 --> 02:26:24,000
that's not that's not that's not what

3901
02:26:26,309 --> 02:26:25,120
america is supposed to be about we're

3902
02:26:28,150 --> 02:26:26,319
you know that's not what we're supposed

3903
02:26:30,550 --> 02:26:28,160
to be doing to our people so

3904
02:26:31,750 --> 02:26:30,560
i think that again the kind of totality

3905
02:26:33,590 --> 02:26:31,760
of all those factors

3906
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:33,600
you know take out just the performance

3907
02:26:38,870 --> 02:26:35,520
of it that this could have been ours

3908
02:26:41,830 --> 02:26:38,880
um yeah i think about uh

3909
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:41,840
and i i i want to mention uh dave beatty

3910
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:42,319
uh

3911
02:26:45,670 --> 02:26:44,560
one last time we've mentioned him a few

3912
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:45,680
times tonight

3913
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,880
but his his original documentary

3914
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:50,399
and the animation and the way that that

3915
02:26:55,110 --> 02:26:52,399
was put together um

3916
02:26:56,389 --> 02:26:55,120
which included her uh was just

3917
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:56,399
incredible

3918
02:27:02,070 --> 02:26:59,520
and uh and i just

3919
02:27:03,349 --> 02:27:02,080
i i want to thank uh his work and his

3920
02:27:06,070 --> 02:27:03,359
efforts and all of this

3921
02:27:07,670 --> 02:27:06,080
which lead up all the way to uh july of

3922
02:27:10,870 --> 02:27:07,680
2019 and

3923
02:27:12,710 --> 02:27:10,880
in the reveal of what was going on off

3924
02:27:13,750 --> 02:27:12,720
of san clemente island here in southern

3925
02:27:15,910 --> 02:27:13,760
california

3926
02:27:17,910 --> 02:27:15,920
uh david been talking about that for

3927
02:27:18,630 --> 02:27:17,920
quite a while it's just now coming to

3928
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:18,640
light

3929
02:27:22,070 --> 02:27:20,399
uh but dave's work you know he's out

3930
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:22,080
there he's just in

3931
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:24,080
he's just in the production business

3932
02:27:28,469 --> 02:27:25,280
right and suddenly

3933
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:28,479
thrust into uh this ufo game

3934
02:27:31,910 --> 02:27:30,080
and he's done some really good work i

3935
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:31,920
wanted to mention that i want to circle

3936
02:27:35,429 --> 02:27:33,040
back though

3937
02:27:37,429 --> 02:27:35,439
and uh that's all the shout out uh baby

3938
02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:37,439
gets uh tonight on the show

3939
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:40,960
because he he only uses condenser mics

3940
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,000
he doesn't use dynamic mics dave

3941
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:47,280
okay is this and also he he has a really

3942
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:47,760
nice

3943
02:27:53,830 --> 02:27:50,800
chair he's bagging on my chair

3944
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:53,840
here that's a whole nother story okay

3945
02:28:01,429 --> 02:27:58,240
but but back to this triangle uh image

3946
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:01,439
do you expect or anticipate this to be

3947
02:28:05,670 --> 02:28:02,479
part of the uap

3948
02:28:07,990 --> 02:28:05,680
task force report and is marco rubio

3949
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:08,000
going to lay his eyes on

3950
02:28:14,870 --> 02:28:11,359
a triangle uh

3951
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:14,880
flying out of the ocean water

3952
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:17,280
he may have already seen it right right

3953
02:28:22,150 --> 02:28:18,880
yeah sure he has

3954
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:22,160
i you know i i i do not expect and i

3955
02:28:24,070 --> 02:28:23,760
hope that a lot of people don't have

3956
02:28:27,270 --> 02:28:24,080
their

3957
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:27,280
expectations set on on this idea that

3958
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:29,600
the report that will be released uh

3959
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:31,520
either in june or eventually is going to

3960
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:33,040
contain

3961
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:36,160
any images or videos and i'm just

3962
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:38,720
being bluntly honest that's typically

3963
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:39,680
not healthy

3964
02:28:43,110 --> 02:28:41,520
you're talking about the public side of

3965
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:43,120
the republic the public side yes yes the

3966
02:28:47,990 --> 02:28:44,479
public side of the report

3967
02:28:49,429 --> 02:28:48,000
and so this this now quite

3968
02:28:51,830 --> 02:28:49,439
you know what i want to say famous i

3969
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:51,840
don't know if it's infamous yet

3970
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,359
how we're going to classify this

3971
02:28:58,469 --> 02:28:55,280
triangle image

3972
02:28:59,750 --> 02:28:58,479
um but that is not going to be made

3973
02:29:01,750 --> 02:28:59,760
public you don't think you don't think

3974
02:29:03,670 --> 02:29:01,760
that's a possibility

3975
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:03,680
i don't think that that image will i

3976
02:29:07,590 --> 02:29:05,359
don't foresee any images

3977
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,600
being just just in my experience and how

3978
02:29:12,630 --> 02:29:09,040
these types of reports

3979
02:29:15,750 --> 02:29:12,640
um how they look in general and i

3980
02:29:17,510 --> 02:29:15,760
i encourage people to to maybe even just

3981
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:17,520
take some time and look at some of the

3982
02:29:19,429 --> 02:29:18,800
congressional reports there was one

3983
02:29:22,950 --> 02:29:19,439
release

3984
02:29:23,590 --> 02:29:22,960
national intelligence you go to their

3985
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:23,600
website

3986
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:26,640
on uh the murder of the

3987
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:29,760
uh journalist um jamal kandachi

3988
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:30,960
and you'll see like a kind of a

3989
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:32,720
four-page report that's very gives you

3990
02:29:37,110 --> 02:29:35,359
an overview doesn't give you a whole lot

3991
02:29:38,870 --> 02:29:37,120
and i think that that and from an

3992
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:38,880
unclassified level what the public will

3993
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:39,760
see

3994
02:29:43,110 --> 02:29:42,240
i would anticipate uh you know something

3995
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:43,120
that's saying

3996
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:46,319
you know yes we've had

3997
02:29:50,630 --> 02:29:49,359
encounters you know how many i don't

3998
02:29:51,910 --> 02:29:50,640
know that they would get into that

3999
02:29:55,190 --> 02:29:51,920
specifics

4000
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:55,200
um to me and i've said this before a lot

4001
02:29:57,990 --> 02:29:57,200
of what i see right now with this report

4002
02:30:00,469 --> 02:29:58,000
and i think if you

4003
02:30:01,990 --> 02:30:00,479
parse through the language maybe through

4004
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:02,000
this looking at it this way

4005
02:30:05,190 --> 02:30:04,080
people might recognize it as well as it

4006
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:05,200
sounds a lot like

4007
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,359
a precursor action for funding

4008
02:30:12,790 --> 02:30:10,960
for a larger program yeah i think

4009
02:30:16,469 --> 02:30:12,800
because there's a lot of talk about that

4010
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:16,479
uh for sure tim um and i

4011
02:30:20,710 --> 02:30:18,000
there's gonna be some disappointment i

4012
02:30:24,230 --> 02:30:20,720
think let's circle back to that

4013
02:30:27,990 --> 02:30:24,240
um but uh back to this triangle image

4014
02:30:32,070 --> 02:30:28,000
the i don't if marco rubio has

4015
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:32,080
seen it it didn't freak him out

4016
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:34,720
in that you know he's not all right he's

4017
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,120
he's maintained pretty good composure

4018
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:39,760
but would this image i mean you've seen

4019
02:30:42,309 --> 02:30:40,160
it

4020
02:30:44,070 --> 02:30:42,319
would this image freak out the world i

4021
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:44,080
mean is this something that

4022
02:30:47,510 --> 02:30:46,479
would upset the and you know tip over

4023
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:47,520
the apple cart

4024
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,000
where there's suddenly this reality you

4025
02:30:55,429 --> 02:30:52,319
know hits the planet

4026
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:55,439
i i think there'd still be people saying

4027
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:56,160
that it was

4028
02:31:01,510 --> 02:30:59,520
uh you know a seagull or sometimes a

4029
02:31:04,630 --> 02:31:01,520
digital artifact i think that

4030
02:31:08,070 --> 02:31:04,640
um i don't know you know i'm cynical

4031
02:31:11,830 --> 02:31:08,080
in in it and it's not just that

4032
02:31:15,270 --> 02:31:11,840
image i think especially nowadays

4033
02:31:16,550 --> 02:31:15,280
that we're so accustomed to the fact

4034
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:16,560
that that even

4035
02:31:19,670 --> 02:31:18,560
you know no matter what great images you

4036
02:31:22,150 --> 02:31:19,680
see and everything it's that

4037
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:22,160
cgi or oh yeah it's a deep fake or

4038
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:23,600
whatever i think that

4039
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:26,000
there's still going to be ways for

4040
02:31:29,910 --> 02:31:27,520
people to

4041
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:29,920
dismiss that or write it off something

4042
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:31,040
right and

4043
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:32,720
and so i don't know that that's going to

4044
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:34,240
be earth shattering i think

4045
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:38,399
that you release an image or a video

4046
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:42,000
with the entire depth of it so

4047
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:44,000
you're saying this is captured on these

4048
02:31:47,110 --> 02:31:46,080
radar systems it was captured on these

4049
02:31:49,990 --> 02:31:47,120
different types of

4050
02:31:50,309 --> 02:31:50,000
uh sensors this different type of uh you

4051
02:31:53,349 --> 02:31:50,319
know

4052
02:31:57,190 --> 02:31:53,359
were able to gather

4053
02:31:58,389 --> 02:31:57,200
whether it's radiation i mean there's a

4054
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:58,399
lot

4055
02:32:02,070 --> 02:32:00,399
that's out there that's in the

4056
02:32:03,270 --> 02:32:02,080
unclassified world there's no telling in

4057
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:03,280
the classified

4058
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:05,760
and so if you just released all of that

4059
02:32:09,030 --> 02:32:06,720
uh

4060
02:32:10,870 --> 02:32:09,040
if you released that and said this you

4061
02:32:11,349 --> 02:32:10,880
know is something that emerged out of

4062
02:32:17,750 --> 02:32:11,359
the

4063
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:17,760
is this

4064
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:20,880
because there are no known platforms

4065
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:22,960
that that are quote trans medium that

4066
02:32:27,349 --> 02:32:25,120
can operate in and out of ocean

4067
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:27,359
in flight and then if you were to say

4068
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:28,479
that this thing

4069
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:31,760
you know extend ascended at

4070
02:32:38,230 --> 02:32:35,439
x speed you know something just crazy

4071
02:32:38,630 --> 02:32:38,240
um that in comparison with a with an

4072
02:32:41,270 --> 02:32:38,640
image

4073
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:41,280
i think would force people to go okay

4074
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,399
wait a minute

4075
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:44,960
you know what the heck is going on i'm

4076
02:32:47,590 --> 02:32:45,760
jealous man

4077
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:47,600
i want to see i want to see i want to

4078
02:32:51,750 --> 02:32:48,960
see this image

4079
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:51,760
i i would have thought that by now

4080
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:52,560
somebody

4081
02:32:56,710 --> 02:32:55,680
would leak it to me uh there you know

4082
02:33:00,150 --> 02:32:56,720
there's too many

4083
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:00,160
out there that well you know i i will

4084
02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:02,479
tell you bar none because people ask me

4085
02:33:06,150 --> 02:33:05,280
probably daily so i will say it and we

4086
02:33:10,710 --> 02:33:06,160
can

4087
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:10,720
you know tune in to jimmy church

4088
02:33:21,270 --> 02:33:17,910
so i i i can't anticipate something

4089
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:21,280
uh in my uh i can give you a private uh

4090
02:33:27,030 --> 02:33:24,800
email if you want to now uh one last

4091
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:27,040
and i want to thank you for a great uh

4092
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:28,640
great conversation tonight and i look

4093
02:33:30,950 --> 02:33:29,439
forward

4094
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:30,960
uh to the next time you're on the show

4095
02:33:35,990 --> 02:33:33,280
with us um

4096
02:33:37,910 --> 02:33:36,000
you're breaking way too many stories and

4097
02:33:38,950 --> 02:33:37,920
i can't wait to get you back on but is

4098
02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:38,960
this

4099
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:42,800
do you um expect

4100
02:33:49,710 --> 02:33:45,840
in the uap task force report

4101
02:33:52,550 --> 02:33:49,720
the public side to have an et

4102
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:52,560
extra-terrestrial alien little green

4103
02:34:00,309 --> 02:33:59,910
um no i don't think that it would be i

4104
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:00,319
think

4105
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:03,120
that um you know it's important to

4106
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:05,120
understand that even if that was let's

4107
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:05,520
say

4108
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,000
the that was what was the running theory

4109
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:12,640
here um you know all of these things are

4110
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:13,439
you know

4111
02:34:17,030 --> 02:34:15,520
combed through by by general counsel

4112
02:34:18,389 --> 02:34:17,040
legal affair all these different

4113
02:34:20,230 --> 02:34:18,399
hands get on it so they want to make

4114
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:20,240
sure they don't say anything that

4115
02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:21,680
he's either going to come back to bite

4116
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:24,319
him or will compromise

4117
02:34:28,150 --> 02:34:27,439
future investigation who knows um i

4118
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:28,160
think

4119
02:34:34,389 --> 02:34:31,760
unknown broadly is probably what

4120
02:34:35,750 --> 02:34:34,399
you know or unidentified which we've

4121
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:35,760
been listening to that for years

4122
02:34:42,630 --> 02:34:38,880
decades um but i don't

4123
02:34:43,750 --> 02:34:42,640
think that you're gonna see anything say

4124
02:34:45,590 --> 02:34:43,760
you know you're not going to see

4125
02:34:46,550 --> 02:34:45,600
anything definitive i would imagine

4126
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:46,560
that's going to say this

4127
02:34:51,510 --> 02:34:49,520
is uh nor do i think that uh kind of

4128
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:51,520
broadly saying it could be this

4129
02:34:56,950 --> 02:34:54,560
it could be that it could be this um

4130
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:56,960
that was discussed internally it is

4131
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:58,560
discussed internally

4132
02:35:03,030 --> 02:35:01,760
because you know if the government

4133
02:35:04,469 --> 02:35:03,040
you know i know a lot of people think

4134
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:04,479
that they already know i know some

4135
02:35:08,070 --> 02:35:05,760
people think that there's

4136
02:35:08,790 --> 02:35:08,080
there's more compartmentalized secret

4137
02:35:10,630 --> 02:35:08,800
things

4138
02:35:11,910 --> 02:35:10,640
if that exists i don't know i've never

4139
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:11,920
come across anybody that led me to

4140
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:12,640
believe that

4141
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:16,080
um more so that they don't know either

4142
02:35:19,590 --> 02:35:18,160
and so it's it's kind of all on the

4143
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:19,600
table

4144
02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:23,359
if if you've got something that's

4145
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,720
you know performing again just not just

4146
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,319
one breakthrough but

4147
02:35:31,590 --> 02:35:31,040
multiple multiple breakthroughs you know

4148
02:35:33,429 --> 02:35:31,600
from

4149
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:33,439
material science we don't have the

4150
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:35,600
materials to travel at hypersonic speed

4151
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:36,720
consistently

4152
02:35:41,510 --> 02:35:40,720
um yeah if you have all of that i i

4153
02:35:45,270 --> 02:35:41,520
don't

4154
02:35:48,870 --> 02:35:45,280
for

4155
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,880
are probably much like myself and being

4156
02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:50,960
very objective observers whether

4157
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:52,800
you're cautious to say what something

4158
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:54,399
definitely is

4159
02:35:58,790 --> 02:35:56,960
without knowing for a fact but i think

4160
02:35:59,750 --> 02:35:58,800
which if you've got compelling data that

4161
02:36:02,870 --> 02:35:59,760
shows all of that

4162
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:02,880
you're you're having to sit back and go

4163
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:05,920
what the hell is this no

4164
02:36:11,270 --> 02:36:09,600
you can't beg it um thank you so much

4165
02:36:13,990 --> 02:36:11,280
what a great conversation man

4166
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:14,000
this uh this is what this show was all

4167
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:14,640
about

4168
02:36:19,990 --> 02:36:18,080
and again uh congratu congratulations on

4169
02:36:23,429 --> 02:36:20,000
the tremendous success

4170
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:23,439
uh over at the debrief and for everybody

4171
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,359
uh out there tim of course uh the

4172
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:27,439
website is thedebrief.org and we've got

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the links over at jimmychurchradio.com

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but do you guys uh are you guys updating

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like every day

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you've constantly got uh articles and

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reporting in the works

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yep yeah every day we we we're putting

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out new stuff every day

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uh monday through friday we try to take

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the weekends off um

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02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:49,680
but yeah we're putting out you know two

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three new articles every day

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02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:54,560
we have it's not just me mj and micah by

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a long shot we've got some great writers

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that work with us

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um you know some people that that your

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listeners might be familiar with like

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mike demonte

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with punk rock and ufos um ryan sprague

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uh chris plain who who is a science

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fiction writer who's kind of gotten

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interested in that but we also

4194
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we get a lot of people who you know

4195
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write for other outlets like hey can we

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write

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you know they're interested in something

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so very fortunate in that and we're

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always looking for new

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creative people it's because you know

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there's only but a few of us but we

4202
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definitely try to

4203
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:29,040
try to make sure we've got new stuff

4204
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coming out every single day

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um on a whole host of topics so you

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would take an

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un unsolicited submission from me

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absolutely that's what i'm talking about

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that's what i'm saying that's one

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that's one of the things is that we're

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all about i mean that's if you're going

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to run an outlet it's about forward

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thinking future technology you you got

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to take from people

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who are like hey i've never written

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before but i really want to do it and

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02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:55,040
we're like

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02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:58,319
okay cool well let's you know

4219
02:38:01,510 --> 02:38:00,000
we're willing to show people the ropes

4220
02:38:02,550 --> 02:38:01,520
because and if you go on to write for

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the new york times then

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02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:05,680
great you know that's fine but uh yeah

4223
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i mean we there's a lot of creative

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smart people out here so we're all about

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that

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thank you so much tim and keep rolling

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that rock

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uphill man it's a it's a long road thank

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you so much and enjoy the rest of your

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evening

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thank you jimmy you know it really

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really has been a pleasure at any time

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i'll be happy to come back on

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tim mcmillan i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black

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break stay with us

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i don't think i'll have time for any

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more

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calls but i just said the number there

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you go but

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uh that was a pretty fascinating

4349
02:43:59,750 --> 02:43:57,279
interview i hope that uh

4350
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:59,760
very uh informative uh very

4351
02:44:02,710 --> 02:44:00,640
comprehensive

4352
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:02,720
hope everybody enjoyed it i do want to

4353
02:44:08,070 --> 02:44:04,479
thank uh tim mcmillan

4354
02:44:09,910 --> 02:44:08,080
uh for coming in it was uh it was it was

4355
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:09,920
all of that i i really enjoyed the

4356
02:44:14,070 --> 02:44:11,120
conversation

4357
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:14,080
uh tonight i hung out i ignored a

4358
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:16,080
twitter i thought i was gonna be on both

4359
02:44:23,750 --> 02:44:16,319
i

4360
02:44:26,550 --> 02:44:23,760
just let everybody know

4361
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:26,560
over on the youtube chat you guys are

4362
02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:28,880
amazing you guys are totally fun

4363
02:44:32,950 --> 02:44:31,600
and uh christina gomez was hanging out

4364
02:44:35,349 --> 02:44:32,960
uh tonight

4365
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um she wanted to see the flame guitar

4366
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she got that

4367
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um and that was just great and everybody

4368
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:40,880
over in the youtube chat you guys are

4369
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:41,439
amazing

4370
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:44,000
and you kept me laughing all night long

4371
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:44,960
and i i

4372
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:48,640
this is the first time in a long time

4373
02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:51,359
and i've only done this a few times uh

4374
02:44:54,150 --> 02:44:52,800
out of all of the shows that i've done

4375
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:54,160
where i've actually gone back and

4376
02:44:59,349 --> 02:44:57,359
and listened um and i did that tonight

4377
02:45:02,630 --> 02:44:59,359
to the best of my ability

4378
02:45:04,790 --> 02:45:02,640
uh but dealing with the laughter and

4379
02:45:06,309 --> 02:45:04,800
and the good times over the youtube chat

4380
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:06,319
uh was very distracting

4381
02:45:11,750 --> 02:45:09,359
but uh yeah there was a few

4382
02:45:13,510 --> 02:45:11,760
uh important takeaways for me i'm gonna

4383
02:45:14,630 --> 02:45:13,520
make this quick because i want to get to

4384
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:14,640
the calls

4385
02:45:20,150 --> 02:45:17,920
um a few important takeaways uh that

4386
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:20,160
that tim brought up one the criminal

4387
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:22,000
side of

4388
02:45:26,230 --> 02:45:24,640
the investigation that was listed in the

4389
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:26,240
memo

4390
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:29,520
uh his comments there uh

4391
02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:34,160
sort of semi possibly uh

4392
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:36,960
maybe involving lou elizondo not in a

4393
02:45:41,429 --> 02:45:37,920
criminal sense

4394
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:41,439
but who was maybe interfacing or

4395
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:43,840
or dealing with lou after he had left

4396
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:45,120
the government

4397
02:45:51,750 --> 02:45:48,479
uh that's a very interesting point

4398
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:51,760
and listening to tim

4399
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:53,520
again after the interview and then

4400
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:54,800
listening to it

4401
02:45:59,910 --> 02:45:57,760
again tonight that uh that was a very

4402
02:46:03,269 --> 02:45:59,920
interesting point and number two

4403
02:46:05,670 --> 02:46:03,279
um the triangle photograph

4404
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:05,680
um i kept going back to this because i

4405
02:46:11,190 --> 02:46:07,760
wanted to

4406
02:46:11,670 --> 02:46:11,200
uh understand if tim indeed had seen

4407
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:11,680
this

4408
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:14,240
very elusive uh photograph that

4409
02:46:20,070 --> 02:46:16,800
everybody has been talking about

4410
02:46:23,349 --> 02:46:20,080
and yes tim has seen it and

4411
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:23,359
that is very interesting i want to know

4412
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:24,000
if this is

4413
02:46:29,590 --> 02:46:27,359
part of the uap task force report

4414
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:29,600
and who else has seen it out there we do

4415
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:31,920
know that it has been going around

4416
02:46:36,550 --> 02:46:34,960
uh different agencies uh for a good

4417
02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:36,560
while now and people have been talking

4418
02:46:38,950 --> 02:46:37,359
about it

4419
02:46:40,710 --> 02:46:38,960
that was very interesting i kept going

4420
02:46:42,790 --> 02:46:40,720
back to that because i wanted clara

4421
02:46:44,070 --> 02:46:42,800
i want to see this picture i want to see

4422
02:46:48,070 --> 02:46:44,080
this image

4423
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:48,080
um and i can only get

4424
02:46:51,670 --> 02:46:49,840
to view the image through other people

4425
02:46:52,070 --> 02:46:51,680
i've got to view it vicariously right

4426
02:46:56,309 --> 02:46:52,080
now

4427
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:56,319
had seen

4428
02:46:59,670 --> 02:46:57,680
point number three that i thought was

4429
02:47:01,750 --> 02:46:59,680
really interesting in asking about the

4430
02:47:05,830 --> 02:47:01,760
uap task force report

4431
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:05,840
that is due in june that may possibly be

4432
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:06,720
delayed

4433
02:47:13,990 --> 02:47:10,399
but will it involve little green men

4434
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:14,000
he doesn't think so at all and

4435
02:47:18,150 --> 02:47:17,200
that was a very interesting and i feel

4436
02:47:21,269 --> 02:47:18,160
very honest

4437
02:47:24,070 --> 02:47:21,279
answer uh there's so much more to unpack

4438
02:47:26,230 --> 02:47:24,080
in this interview i know that we'll be

4439
02:47:29,670 --> 02:47:26,240
talking about it for a while

4440
02:47:32,469 --> 02:47:29,680
and uh what did you guys hear and again

4441
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:32,479
i was distracted uh by the youtube chat

4442
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:33,040
tonight

4443
02:47:37,110 --> 02:47:36,080
and so uh everybody's gonna catch their

4444
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:37,120
little pieces

4445
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:40,240
of this and and and speak about it okay

4446
02:47:43,750 --> 02:47:41,680
so there you go

4447
02:47:45,269 --> 02:47:43,760
with that let's go straight to the

4448
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:45,279
phones how you're live on fade to black

4449
02:47:50,230 --> 02:47:47,120
who's calling

4450
02:47:50,950 --> 02:47:50,240
hey jimmy it's uh carrie in palm springs

4451
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:50,960
how are you

4452
02:47:59,030 --> 02:47:57,439
i'm fantastic awesome interview this

4453
02:48:03,269 --> 02:47:59,040
evening with tim

4454
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:03,279
i mean you really eked out a big

4455
02:48:07,670 --> 02:48:06,720
a big one he saw the picture he has seen

4456
02:48:11,750 --> 02:48:07,680
this

4457
02:48:14,150 --> 02:48:11,760
urban legend triangular yeah

4458
02:48:16,309 --> 02:48:14,160
urban legend that's such a good way to

4459
02:48:19,429 --> 02:48:16,319
put it right because nobody

4460
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:19,439
uh outside of official circles

4461
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:22,319
um has has seen this image uh as far as

4462
02:48:28,309 --> 02:48:23,520
i know

4463
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:28,319
it and that's bob mcguire

4464
02:48:32,790 --> 02:48:31,200
and uh tim mcmillan i haven't seen it

4465
02:48:36,870 --> 02:48:32,800
but i haven't seen it i wonder

4466
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:36,880
now i'm i'm going to ask uh micah hanks

4467
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:38,800
i wonder if mike has seen it or mj

4468
02:48:44,790 --> 02:48:41,520
binayas uh that would be interesting too

4469
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:44,800
because they uh both are or with the

4470
02:48:49,950 --> 02:48:46,880
debris but it was uh

4471
02:48:51,190 --> 02:48:49,960
it was a very fun open honest

4472
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:51,200
comprehensive

4473
02:48:57,349 --> 02:48:55,520
uh conversation and i really enjoyed it

4474
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:57,359
well you did it you know an excellent

4475
02:49:02,550 --> 02:48:59,760
job really getting some main points

4476
02:49:03,590 --> 02:49:02,560
and kind of drilling it down i feel like

4477
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:03,600
we've had such

4478
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:06,720
you know kind of this rush of info

4479
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,359
and people breaking it down historical

4480
02:49:12,710 --> 02:49:10,880
perspective like the

4481
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:12,720
new yorker article kind of bringing

4482
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:14,160
everything to a head

4483
02:49:18,710 --> 02:49:16,080
and then you've had these awesome guests

4484
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:18,720
all week kind of helping the faders

4485
02:49:21,830 --> 02:49:21,040
kind of you know further clarify and

4486
02:49:24,950 --> 02:49:21,840
it's been

4487
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:24,960
so like i feel like i can just have like

4488
02:49:28,389 --> 02:49:26,800
more of a solid picture of what's really

4489
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:28,399
going on and

4490
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:30,240
but there's still obviously some huge

4491
02:49:35,269 --> 02:49:31,600
lingering questions

4492
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:35,279
like you know has

4493
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:37,680
to your knowledge has there been like a

4494
02:49:41,269 --> 02:49:38,560
video

4495
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:41,279
analyst expert take a look at the flying

4496
02:49:45,830 --> 02:49:42,479
toaster video

4497
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:45,840
no not and not that i know of um aside

4498
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:46,960
from

4499
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:49,600
uh you know of course mick west but has

4500
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:50,000
there

4501
02:49:53,510 --> 02:49:52,080
been anybody else to take a look at it i

4502
02:49:57,190 --> 02:49:53,520
don't know

4503
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:57,200
uh carrie at this point

4504
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:00,319
if uh if we need to do that i

4505
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:03,760
it's it's it's a terrestrial craft it's

4506
02:50:08,309 --> 02:50:05,200
not ufo it's not

4507
02:50:09,269 --> 02:50:08,319
it's not a ufo it's not e.t does it fall

4508
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:09,279
in the classroom

4509
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:12,560
uh into the classification of uap

4510
02:50:16,950 --> 02:50:14,880
well yeah i i guess you can say that if

4511
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:16,960
the navy and the alice

4512
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:20,800
uh wasn't made aware of what was

4513
02:50:24,950 --> 02:50:23,120
flying over their ships but i i can

4514
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:24,960
nearly guarantee

4515
02:50:30,870 --> 02:50:28,560
uh that all of the surface radar

4516
02:50:32,550 --> 02:50:30,880
all of the ship radar you have cam

4517
02:50:34,630 --> 02:50:32,560
pendleton you have the navy base there

4518
02:50:37,590 --> 02:50:34,640
you have san clemente island

4519
02:50:38,469 --> 02:50:37,600
and it is the most advanced uh

4520
02:50:41,590 --> 02:50:38,479
technically

4521
02:50:45,349 --> 02:50:41,600
advanced gear on this planet

4522
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:45,359
so absolutely i i i firmly believe

4523
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:48,560
uh they know uh what was flying up there

4524
02:50:52,389 --> 02:50:51,359
and that it wasn't it wasn't a flying

4525
02:50:55,510 --> 02:50:52,399
pyramid

4526
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:55,520
um but uh and i think that that's why

4527
02:50:59,349 --> 02:50:57,040
that video

4528
02:51:00,950 --> 02:50:59,359
has just kind of gone away i don't think

4529
02:51:02,790 --> 02:51:00,960
it's gone away because

4530
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,800
uh the media is trying to bury it i

4531
02:51:07,030 --> 02:51:04,720
don't think that it has gone away

4532
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:07,040
for for any other nefarious reasons i

4533
02:51:11,670 --> 02:51:08,240
don't believe that

4534
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:11,680
it's it's it's died on the vine because

4535
02:51:15,110 --> 02:51:13,760
anybody can look at that and go well

4536
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:15,120
okay

4537
02:51:19,750 --> 02:51:18,720
uh it's a triangle image in the video

4538
02:51:22,309 --> 02:51:19,760
it's night vision

4539
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:22,319
but it's got aircraft lights on it so

4540
02:51:28,230 --> 02:51:23,359
it's not

4541
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:28,240
it's something totally believable it's

4542
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:30,080
just an aircraft of some kind whether

4543
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:31,439
it's a drone or

4544
02:51:35,670 --> 02:51:33,520
or something bigger it it it doesn't

4545
02:51:38,950 --> 02:51:35,680
really matter at this point it's not

4546
02:51:42,070 --> 02:51:38,960
uh it's not not of this earth

4547
02:51:43,590 --> 02:51:42,080
right so yeah and and i think we can

4548
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:43,600
leave it to leave it right there carrie

4549
02:51:48,230 --> 02:51:45,520
i've got to get to some other calls

4550
02:51:49,670 --> 02:51:48,240
um okay jimmy yeah thank you so much

4551
02:51:52,150 --> 02:51:49,680
you're the very best and we'll see you

4552
02:51:53,590 --> 02:51:52,160
tomorrow night right here with linda

4553
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:53,600
see you tomorrow night you're the best

4554
02:51:58,630 --> 02:51:56,000
thanks jimmy and fade to black

4555
02:51:59,110 --> 02:51:58,640
thank you so much carrie fade to black

4556
02:52:02,950 --> 02:51:59,120
and

4557
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:02,960
uh it was fun also over on youtube

4558
02:52:06,950 --> 02:52:05,680
uh with everybody wanting to see the

4559
02:52:09,190 --> 02:52:06,960
guitars

4560
02:52:11,670 --> 02:52:09,200
and so here the the interviews running

4561
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:11,680
in the background i can listen to that

4562
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:14,000
and uh pull guitars off the wall all

4563
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:16,160
night that guitars make me happy

4564
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:18,960
music makes me happy and and this little

4565
02:52:22,469 --> 02:52:19,279
uh

4566
02:52:24,950 --> 02:52:22,479
den of sin that i have here

4567
02:52:25,670 --> 02:52:24,960
uh called the bunker is my happy place

4568
02:52:38,630 --> 02:52:25,680
and

4569
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:38,640
that was really cool all right let's go

4570
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:40,319
back to the phones i think this is

4571
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:41,279
awakening man

4572
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:44,640
i'm not sure eric is this you that's me

4573
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:47,120
what's happening brother what's going on

4574
02:52:51,590 --> 02:52:48,720
man

4575
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:51,600
i'm i'm up here on mount wilson and uh

4576
02:52:55,349 --> 02:52:53,279
i've been looking at this red light

4577
02:52:57,990 --> 02:52:55,359
that's flashing and moving around

4578
02:52:59,349 --> 02:52:58,000
erratically in the forest it's about 25

4579
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:59,359
miles away but it's not

4580
02:53:03,349 --> 02:53:01,040
it's not in the sky this is in the

4581
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:03,359
forest

4582
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:04,960
what are you what are you suggesting

4583
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:07,120
here eric you sound like you're free i

4584
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:08,640
don't know what it is i

4585
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:10,960
i have no idea what it is i it's a red

4586
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:12,640
light though i could see with my naked

4587
02:53:15,910 --> 02:53:13,520
eye

4588
02:53:17,670 --> 02:53:15,920
but that's moving around very erratic

4589
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:17,680
it's i'm not exaggerating

4590
02:53:21,830 --> 02:53:20,240
i tried to film it bounces all over the

4591
02:53:22,630 --> 02:53:21,840
place and it's been doing it for half an

4592
02:53:25,750 --> 02:53:22,640
hour

4593
02:53:27,190 --> 02:53:25,760
now uh mount wilson when you say mount

4594
02:53:30,309 --> 02:53:27,200
wilson mount wilson is

4595
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,319
over here next to pasadena where are you

4596
02:53:33,349 --> 02:53:32,319
no there's a mount wilson in nevada too

4597
02:53:35,190 --> 02:53:33,359
which is a northern

4598
02:53:36,389 --> 02:53:35,200
uh northern nevada which is right near

4599
02:53:39,670 --> 02:53:36,399
utah

4600
02:53:41,910 --> 02:53:39,680
really and uh okay so

4601
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:41,920
you sound you sound freaked out are you

4602
02:53:45,670 --> 02:53:43,520
freaked out

4603
02:53:47,190 --> 02:53:45,680
uh well it's about 25 miles away so i'm

4604
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:47,200
not really freaked out because

4605
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:49,359
it's too far but i can see it i'm

4606
02:53:53,110 --> 02:53:51,040
looking at my naked eyes as i'm talking

4607
02:53:55,110 --> 02:53:53,120
to you right now it couldn't but

4608
02:53:56,870 --> 02:53:55,120
i got to tell you let me just jump off

4609
02:53:58,630 --> 02:53:56,880
that for a second i was excited because

4610
02:54:00,150 --> 02:53:58,640
i'd never seen the star links

4611
02:54:02,230 --> 02:54:00,160
and they just flew right over the top of

4612
02:54:04,710 --> 02:54:02,240
me like a half an hour ago 60 of them

4613
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:04,720
i counted them and they were it was

4614
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:05,760
amazing

4615
02:54:10,230 --> 02:54:08,319
and so i'm just like oh this is so cool

4616
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:10,240
and then so then i look back behind me

4617
02:54:14,070 --> 02:54:11,840
on the utah side

4618
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:14,080
and i see these six five or six other

4619
02:54:18,389 --> 02:54:15,840
lights in a row flying

4620
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:18,399
in a different direction in a different

4621
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:19,040
area

4622
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:20,560
and i thought oh that might be some more

4623
02:54:24,790 --> 02:54:23,840
star links so i grabbed my phone to try

4624
02:54:28,950 --> 02:54:24,800
to

4625
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:28,960
and it's and it just went out it just

4626
02:54:32,950 --> 02:54:30,960
blinked out they were all gone

4627
02:54:34,630 --> 02:54:32,960
i'm not kidding you they just they were

4628
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:34,640
gone i don't know where they went they

4629
02:54:38,469 --> 02:54:36,080
just went away

4630
02:54:39,590 --> 02:54:38,479
because they knew yeah they they knew

4631
02:54:42,230 --> 02:54:39,600
you were there man

4632
02:54:42,630 --> 02:54:42,240
see they knew i was gonna film it yeah

4633
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:42,640
right

4634
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:46,080
curious

4635
02:54:51,670 --> 02:54:49,120
uh eric about this red light

4636
02:54:52,950 --> 02:54:51,680
yeah it's still there i'm looking at it

4637
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:52,960
right now i'm talking to you

4638
02:54:59,670 --> 02:54:57,279
and is is it moving through the trees

4639
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:59,680
it it looks it's there's a mountain i

4640
02:55:01,910 --> 02:55:00,640
mean i got

4641
02:55:03,910 --> 02:55:01,920
there's like five mountain ranges

4642
02:55:04,870 --> 02:55:03,920
between here and the furthest mountain

4643
02:55:06,309 --> 02:55:04,880
range which

4644
02:55:08,230 --> 02:55:06,319
i'm going to guess the furthest mountain

4645
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:08,240
range is somewhere out there probably

4646
02:55:10,790 --> 02:55:08,640
near

4647
02:55:12,469 --> 02:55:10,800
area 51 so i'm probably looking in that

4648
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:12,479
direction right now

4649
02:55:16,150 --> 02:55:14,880
but i'm a long ways away but anyway this

4650
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:16,160
is

4651
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,479
range i'm looking at it

4652
02:55:23,510 --> 02:55:22,240
it's definitely not above the range

4653
02:55:25,030 --> 02:55:23,520
because i could see when i put the night

4654
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:25,040
vision i could see that

4655
02:55:28,870 --> 02:55:26,720
the rim of the the mountain range so

4656
02:55:30,389 --> 02:55:28,880
it's it's in the forest area because

4657
02:55:32,870 --> 02:55:30,399
i've been looking at this

4658
02:55:34,550 --> 02:55:32,880
forest since four o'clock this afternoon

4659
02:55:36,230 --> 02:55:34,560
so i know what i'm looking at i just

4660
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:36,240
it's dark now but i know that there's

4661
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:38,960
forest there i saw it earlier today

4662
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:42,319
so um you're out there seeing the cool

4663
02:55:46,790 --> 02:55:43,760
stuff

4664
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:46,800
in the night sky uh which means you

4665
02:55:49,910 --> 02:55:47,359
missed

4666
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:49,920
uh the show tonight with uh tim mcnamara

4667
02:55:54,950 --> 02:55:51,600
no no no i listened to the whole thing

4668
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,960
oh you did oh man you see you got the

4669
02:55:58,790 --> 02:55:56,800
double dose

4670
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:58,800
you got knight lieutenant mcmillan yeah

4671
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:00,640
you got that guy you know what

4672
02:56:04,630 --> 02:56:03,040
that guy uh he's four pipes as far as

4673
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:04,640
i'm concerned i'm gonna put four pipes

4674
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:06,640
on that guy i like his style

4675
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,800
i like his i just like everything about

4676
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:10,800
the guy like i like how he's handling it

4677
02:56:14,230 --> 02:56:12,080
i'm glad you got them on i'm really

4678
02:56:15,590 --> 02:56:14,240
happy about that and and uh i've only

4679
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:15,600
got a minute left eric

4680
02:56:19,269 --> 02:56:17,760
uh what what stood out i know you're in

4681
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:19,279
the middle of all this excitement you've

4682
02:56:22,630 --> 02:56:20,880
got lights in the sky you've got lights

4683
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:22,640
on the ground you've got bigfoot that's

4684
02:56:26,309 --> 02:56:23,920
about to come up

4685
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:26,319
behind you and tap you on the shoulder

4686
02:56:29,990 --> 02:56:27,840
um but what stood out

4687
02:56:31,110 --> 02:56:30,000
uh in the conversation tonight what's uh

4688
02:56:34,950 --> 02:56:31,120
what's your takeaway

4689
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:34,960
okay i'm gonna be a little rude yes it's

4690
02:56:39,510 --> 02:56:36,479
only got 45 seconds

4691
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:39,520
two nights ago i was in rachel nevada

4692
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:41,600
and i was up on the mountain i drove up

4693
02:56:44,790 --> 02:56:43,600
there like eight miles up this dirt road

4694
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:44,800
and parked and i saw

4695
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:48,640
three lights orb lights not in area 51

4696
02:56:51,830 --> 02:56:50,160
on the other side of the mountain

4697
02:56:53,670 --> 02:56:51,840
where the black mailboxes between the

4698
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:53,680
black mailbox and the mountain range

4699
02:56:57,349 --> 02:56:56,160
three lights move in like a worm fashion

4700
02:56:59,349 --> 02:56:57,359
then blink out

4701
02:57:00,469 --> 02:56:59,359
and then four lights moved in a worm

4702
02:57:03,030 --> 02:57:00,479
fashion blinked out

4703
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:03,040
then five of them moved and i couldn't

4704
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:04,720
believe what i was seeing i've never

4705
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:06,880
that was the most amazing nighttime

4706
02:57:09,670 --> 02:57:08,399
thing and i could

4707
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:09,680
i just had to tell you that because i'm

4708
02:57:12,469 --> 02:57:11,520
just i'm still stoked about it i'm just

4709
02:57:14,389 --> 02:57:12,479
psyched

4710
02:57:19,190 --> 02:57:14,399
but uh mcmillan i just like that whoa

4711
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:20,630
i'm in the dark out here it's pitch

4712
02:57:24,550 --> 02:57:23,040
black up here no i just mcmillan the guy

4713
02:57:26,150 --> 02:57:24,560
he's in germany man the guy could get

4714
02:57:26,790 --> 02:57:26,160
away with stuff in germany i love it

4715
02:57:28,469 --> 02:57:26,800
which is

4716
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:28,479
you know jason kidd he's in canada he'd

4717
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:29,840
get away with stuff too we need to get

4718
02:57:35,510 --> 02:57:31,760
jason back on the show i think

4719
02:57:37,110 --> 02:57:35,520
yeah yeah uh jason

4720
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:37,120
i would love to get jason back on the

4721
02:57:43,030 --> 02:57:39,520
show too he is

4722
02:57:46,550 --> 02:57:43,040
he is very busy off into

4723
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:46,560
another uh another part of

4724
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:49,680
of his life and his future yeah and and

4725
02:57:52,630 --> 02:57:51,439
you know he's just uh he's just doing

4726
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:52,640
other things right now

4727
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:54,479
he wants to come on the show i want to

4728
02:57:57,910 --> 02:57:55,680
get him on the show

4729
02:58:00,630 --> 02:57:57,920
but he's up too late at night and he's

4730
02:58:04,230 --> 02:58:00,640
got to be up early in the morning and

4731
02:58:05,830 --> 02:58:04,240
and uh there you go and uh so

4732
02:58:07,429 --> 02:58:05,840
we we we've just got a little bit by the

4733
02:58:09,429 --> 02:58:07,439
way scheduling conflicts

4734
02:58:10,950 --> 02:58:09,439
look at my tweets look at my tweets from

4735
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:10,960
earlier because there are some

4736
02:58:14,870 --> 02:58:13,279
there are some poops up here that that

4737
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:14,880
are massive

4738
02:58:18,309 --> 02:58:16,399
and then there's these big poops that

4739
02:58:20,550 --> 02:58:18,319
you would normally see from deer and

4740
02:58:21,990 --> 02:58:20,560
horses and cattle and then you got these

4741
02:58:24,070 --> 02:58:22,000
little tiny poops that are

4742
02:58:25,429 --> 02:58:24,080
but these i'm there's piles of these

4743
02:58:27,590 --> 02:58:25,439
giant poops up here

4744
02:58:29,830 --> 02:58:27,600
with no footprints and it's tripping me

4745
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:29,840
out jimmy it's tripping me out

4746
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:31,359
i'm not kidding you either i got

4747
02:58:34,230 --> 02:58:32,960
pictures of it all i can just can't wait

4748
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:34,240
to june when i see you i'll show them

4749
02:58:37,269 --> 02:58:34,880
all to you

4750
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:37,279
you know uh eric uh i'm just gonna leave

4751
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,240
that right there

4752
02:58:41,750 --> 02:58:41,040
i i i just i've got i've got nothing for

4753
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:41,760
you

4754
02:58:48,630 --> 02:58:47,520
well listen uh be safe shoot some video

4755
02:58:51,910 --> 02:58:48,640
i want to see this

4756
02:58:54,070 --> 02:58:51,920
red light uh see if you can capture that

4757
02:58:56,389 --> 02:58:54,080
but have a good time and and above all

4758
02:58:58,150 --> 02:58:56,399
be safe who are you with

4759
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:58,160
i'm by myself i'm a little scared

4760
02:59:01,830 --> 02:59:00,000
because i'm literally 30 miles away from

4761
02:59:03,910 --> 02:59:01,840
any human i'm not exaggerating so the

4762
02:59:06,309 --> 02:59:03,920
nearest town is this pioch town

4763
02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:06,319
this little town 6 000 feet up i'm about

4764
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:08,160
10 000 feet up right here

4765
02:59:12,790 --> 02:59:10,319
so way up there now you've got you've

4766
02:59:14,230 --> 02:59:12,800
got food and water and supplies right

4767
02:59:15,830 --> 02:59:14,240
oh yeah i got it all i got all the

4768
02:59:17,910 --> 02:59:15,840
supplies necessary

4769
02:59:19,190 --> 02:59:17,920
okay all right i just want to make sure

4770
02:59:21,590 --> 02:59:19,200
you're safe

4771
02:59:22,790 --> 02:59:21,600
okay my brother all right buddy and now

4772
02:59:24,230 --> 02:59:22,800
type of car talk to you soon

4773
02:59:26,790 --> 02:59:24,240
i'll talk to you tomorrow thank you so

4774
02:59:29,750 --> 02:59:26,800
much eric fade to black

4775
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:29,760
right on so eric getting it done up in

4776
02:59:33,590 --> 02:59:30,240
mount

4777
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:33,600
wilson um somewhere near

4778
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:36,080
area 51 out there in nevada i didn't

4779
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:37,439
know that there was another

4780
02:59:41,670 --> 02:59:40,240
mount wilson mount wilson is where the

4781
02:59:44,790 --> 02:59:41,680
observatory is

4782
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:44,800
right here um in uh southern california

4783
02:59:47,750 --> 02:59:45,600
okay

4784
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,760
well what a great night tonight on the

4785
02:59:52,230 --> 02:59:49,040
show i want to thank

4786
02:59:55,269 --> 02:59:52,240
lieutenant tim mcmillan of the debrief

4787
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:55,279
an amazing conversation tonight but

4788
02:59:58,790 --> 02:59:57,840
tomorrow night right here linda molten

4789
03:00:01,750 --> 02:59:58,800
howe

4790
03:00:02,630 --> 03:00:01,760
we've got nothing but ufo breaking news

4791
03:00:04,469 --> 03:00:02,640
all week here

4792
03:00:06,309 --> 03:00:04,479
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4793
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4797
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4798
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4799
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4800
03:00:25,030 --> 03:00:23,279
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4801
03:00:26,950 --> 03:00:25,040
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03:00:31,190 --> 03:00:28,960
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03:00:32,630 --> 03:00:31,200
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03:00:34,550 --> 03:00:32,640
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03:00:36,070 --> 03:00:34,560
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4807
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:36,080
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03:00:38,550 --> 03:00:36,800
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4809
03:00:40,070 --> 03:00:38,560
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03:00:41,429 --> 03:00:40,080
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4811
03:00:44,309 --> 03:00:41,439
yours jimmy church

4812
03:00:44,790 --> 03:00:44,319
tomorrow night linda moulton howe until

4813
03:00:48,309 --> 03:00:44,800
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4814
03:00:52,660 --> 03:00:48,319
i want everybody to be safe

4815
03:01:06,940 --> 03:00:52,670
it's time to fade to black

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